MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Trust me.... It's more of a side hobby than anything

And I don't expect to book any from those of you who wear Harry Potter underoos haha

If you don't mind, what was the content of these e-mails and or phone calls? Literally, what did these "clients" say to you? I have to know, because *IF* you are telling the truth here, I have to readjust my expectations for the human race going forward.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Trust me.... It's more of a side hobby than anything

And I don't expect to book any from those of you who wear Harry Potter underoos haha
I've never once crowed about Universal, but you have repeatedly dodged the fact that 3 of the Disney resorts around the world have been putting WDW to shame with additions
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
If you don't mind, what was the content of these e-mails and or phone calls? Literally, what did these "clients" say to you? I have to know, because *IF* you are telling the truth here, I have to readjust my expectations for the human race going forward.

I don't think I should be sharing all of that information....but many of them did mention the magic bands
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
I've never once crowed about Universal, but you have repeatedly dodged the fact that 3 of the Disney resorts around the world have been putting WDW to shame with additions

Good for them! I'm not denying that...and I think you just raised the curtain in the elephant in the room. MM+ isn't the sole issue in funds not going to WDW. They are doing plenty in other parks around the world including building a brand new one too

Hopefully some of those things will make it to florida
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
Just mentioning the Magic Bands isn't the same thing as someone saying "I didn't have any intention of booking a WDW trip right now, but after seeing Magic Bands, I'm planning a vacation just to check them out".

Fair enough...didn't know that had to be a verbatim quote ....but I have had some clients over the last few months book small trips just to check them out
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
I don't think I should be sharing all of that information....but many of them did mention the magic bands

Oh, good heavens, No. I would never want you sharing others private info. I was simply asking about the content referring to Disney Parks wonderful new bracelets. No names or anything of that nature. Just tell us what they said about the bands.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Forget comparing Disney to Universal. Thats an argument you will never win with these people. They constantly ignore the additions to Tokyo, Hong Kong, and DLR. They need look no farther than the same division...
Tokyo is a special case, but in Anaheim and Hong Kong the local governments pressured Disney to stop screwing around and just build. There are no such external pressures in Florida or France.

I think this just comes down to risk aversion. Much less risk using an IP since you know you have a built in audience.
Unless cultural awareness drives off a cliff like Song of the South did in the late 1980s to early 1990s.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Just mentioning the Magic Bands isn't the same thing as someone saying "I didn't have any intention of booking a WDW trip right now, but after seeing Magic Bands, I'm planning a vacation just to check them out".
I still go back to my Lexus example. Nobody is buying a $50,000+ car (10 times the cost of a WDW trip) just because it can park itself yet Lexus still ran an ad campaign a few years back highlighting just that feature. It's not just about that feature, but an attempt to differentiate the brand from the competitors by showing a new feature or technology. If you can catch someone's eye with some gimmick or feature it very well could sway them. That is how advertising works. Despite what those in the hard core fan community might think of the project Disney is still marketing MM+ as a way to revolutionize the theme park experience. You may not buy it, but there are probably others who will. TWDC has a huge advertising budget and lots of very smart people who have a lot of industry experience who know exactly how to sell things. This is in no way an endorsement of the project or me saying that I would book a trip just to use the bands.
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
Oh, good heavens, No. I would never want you sharing others private info. I was simply asking about the content referring to Disney Parks wonderful new bracelets. No names or anything of that nature. Just tell us what they said about the bands.

Many were excited about them, eager to learn more about them and how to get them for their trip. Many also thought the mobile app, pre-scheduling some attractions and being able to use the band for so many things were neat as well. I showed a few the packaging and what all I had received from my previous trip and they were impressed by that too (one even commented it reminded them of how apple packages their devices)

I am not making this up. The trend I see and hear is if those that aren't frequent annual visitors to WDW like many of us here think this is very cool

Out of the trips from clients who have used them over the past several months only 1 reported a problem to me (and I followed up with all of them). Their issue was with photopass and they called and got it fixed (photos linked to their main account...similar problem I had actually where by default others that have a Disney account in your family, the show others your photos is turned off so once you enable from the site under each profile that has had a photopass photographer scan their band, then everyone in their family can see them)
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
I still go back to my Lexus example. Nobody is buying a $50,000+ car (10 times the cost of a WDW trip) just because it can park itself yet Lexus still ran an ad campaign a few years back highlighting just that feature. It's not just about that feature, but an attempt to differentiate the brand from the competitors by showing a new feature or technology. If you can catch someone's eye with some gimmick or feature it very well could sway them. That is how advertising works. Despite what those in the hard core fan community might think of the project Disney is still marketing MM+ as a way to revolutionize the theme park experience. You may not buy it, but there are probably others who will. TWDC has a huge advertising budget and lots of very smart people who have a lot of industry experience who know exactly how to sell things. This is in no way an endorsement of the project or me saying that I would book a trip just to use the bands.


Another good example would be apple iPhones. Ex. The new iPhone comes out (which isn't much better) and people their pants just because it's new.

The same could be said for a lot of new gadgets and electronic devices. The "oh it's new, cool, and I gotta have one!" can come into play with the new magic band stuff for some (regardless of how cheesy that sounds to us here)
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Have things changed that much in a little over a decade? JTTCOTE and 20K at TDS? Screamin' and Soarin'? Even Test Track? Or would the latter three be more down to location? Even so, these are immensely popular and lack an IP to varying degrees.

I'd say yes. Things have changed that much. Sadly. I've said it before and will again. A true E Ticket will survive regardless of the IP. But yes, it's too risky and offers too little ROI in the eyes of PowerPoint land.
The change in Powerpointland happened independent of theme parks. Suits decided that Disney excells, or should excell, in IPs. Nobody can exploit an IP with so many gunds blazing as Disney, with theme parks, merchandise channels, home media, cinema, tv channels, etc. This is why Disney can gobble up other IP's - to Lucas, SW is worth a few billion, to TWDC, it is worth much more. Theme parks are but one part of the 'IP's everywhere' strategy.

The nail in the coffin has been the succes of Cars Land and Potterland. The wrong lessons have been drawn: that IP-lands are the future of theme parks.
Whereas I would say that they prove the value of quality, thematic consistency (my obsession!), and guest immersion. That is, let rides, visuals, music, restaurants and shops work together, and the whole is more than the sum of its parts. Classic WDW followed the Potter model long before UNI resurrected it.
 

DisneyMatt1

New Member
No, Uni does hotels and transportation a million times better than Disney. Disney doesn't even attempt to compete with Uni (or any other good hotel) when it comes to their hotels. The Uni parks are also cleaner and spiffier-looking than the Disney ones. Food is debate-able, but I have to with Uni there, too. I don't care much about Harry Potter or Spider-Man, but enjoy both rides. I love the Spider-Man ride.

Spider-Man isn't really a thrill ride, but the real thrill rides at Uni are much more thrilling an Disney's thrill rides.
Universals transportation is taxis from the airport. They r walking to universal as bus and boats are slow. Food at universal is chain restaurant like hard rock and margarittaville. Lowes hotels are nice but for price the grand floridian and akl are in line.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Universals transportation is taxis from the airport. They r walking to universal as bus and boats are slow. Food at universal is chain restaurant like hard rock and margarittaville. Lowes hotels are nice but for price the grand floridian and akl are in line.
I was all with you until you talked about hotel pricing.

The hotels are certainly in line with Grand Floridian and AKL when it comes to the actual room and resort accommodations, with a few exceptions. Restaurants are a toss up (AKL has some VERY good restaurants, so that's hard to compare...plus they have the Savannah views, again, hard to compare)...but, the rooms and room areas themselves are very similar in terms of quality. And yet, the Universal hotels nightly rate is now mostly equivalent to the higher end moderates like POFQ. So, it's a much better value.

I'd easily put Royal Pacific up there with Grand Floridian though.

Also, the boats aren't slow, but they do shut down a lot if you are there when the weather is dicey (don't run when there is threat of a storm). However, the walk isn't difficult, even with a kid in tow (as I had, a 7 year old at the time) and the rickshaws (tip only, set your own price) were a ton of fun and very unique.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Oh, and with respect to Uni transit being Taxi services...so is Disney's. In fact, the DCL transit from the Fantasy to POFQ for me was a Mears van.

In addition, when on site, you aren't always riding in the magical Disney busses. Many times (specifically at EPCOT, I've noticed) you'll see third party touring busses making runs to hotels.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Universals transportation is taxis from the airport. They r walking to universal as bus and boats are slow. Food at universal is chain restaurant like hard rock and margarittaville. Lowes hotels are nice but for price the grand floridian and akl are in line.

Margarittaville is in City Walk which has a bunch of chain restaurants, just like Downtown Disney. And besides Hard Rock I believe most if not all the other restaurants in the Uni hotels and parks are non-chain restaurants.
 

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