Mine Ride Construction Update

[rioriz]

^^^ eh we are just splitting hairs...we are stuck with what we have which has been said was what we were promised.Regardless of how Disney spins it we always knew what we were getting with SDMT and frankly im just ready for it to open so we can enjoy it

 

[NormC]

Nothing was promised that isn't there.

 

[GoofGoof]

No offense, but this argument makes no sense to me. Whether you are referring to a planned attraction, or one that has been built, a downgrade is a downgrade.

If your argument is that we can't verify that the leaked information was reliable and we cannot prove there were alternate plans in the first place, then I agree with that completely. But the idea that you can only consider an attraction "downgraded" if it is currently existing and you have a currently existing counterpart for comparison is absurd. Under what basis are you making such a argument beyond your narrow, personal definition? After all, the rides would never be built without a plan in place first, so then how is a plan less eligible for comparison than a built attraction when looking at objective characteristics like show scenes, special effects, sound systems, and track length etc? The only difference between a plan and a ride is one was not built.

Can we not say that a Space Mountain refurbishment which gave us track mounted speakers is a downgrade from a plan that would have offered in car audio and a completely new track? There are many attractions and refurbishments where budgets were cut and we received a downgraded attraction as a result. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the two Imagination change overs were also subject to budget cuts and loss of better scenes and effects as a result. Or the length and ride experience of AK's raft ride.

When you get less than the original plan calls for, how is that not a downgrade?

Here is my original post that was questioned:

The ride isn't automatically a failure because a plan existed that would have made it longer but was not chosen.

I stick by that opinion. It's my opinion not an argument so of course it's based on my personal point of view. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want to have. If you want to believe that every ride that has been altered from its blue sky concepts or designs is a downgrade or a failure that's fine. As others have pointed out you would be including the majority of rides and attractions at any theme park. During the design process there are usually many versions of a ride or attraction before one is ultimately decided on. A simple example is World Showcase at EPCOT Center. There were plans for several additional countries from the beginning. There were plans for a boat ride in Germany and a bullet train ride in Japan. Those are just a few EPCOT concepts that ultimately never came about. I don't consider World Showcase to be a failure or a downgrade. It would have been great if it was built with all those things, but it wasn't. Same goes for Mine Train. It would be great if it had a second show scene and an additional lift hill but that's not the version that ultimately was selected. If you want to call it a downgrade that's fine, but IMHO that still doesn't make the ride an automatic failure. After all, if you use that logic it is actually a big upgrade since the official original plans called for a fairy meet and greet and no ride at all.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Wait what are we talking about again, and why has seemingly every thread devolved into the Epcot park and it's woes? This is the fourth thread I've seen!


Any one have any photos or news of the ride?

 

[Skibum1970]

Wait what are we talking about again, and why has seemingly every thread devolved into the Epcot park and it's woes? This is the fourth thread I've seen!


Any one have any photos or news of the ride?

No pictures but saw the SDMT last Thursday. Getting very close to show status. Secretly hoped that they would seek an independent person's view on the ride. Sadly, no Imagineers shared that thought and thus I wasn't asked to participate in a top secret preview.

 

[Scuttle]

Wait what are we talking about again, and why has seemingly every thread devolved into the Epcot park and it's woes? This is the fourth thread I've seen!


Any one have any photos or news of the ride?

I searched most of the sites I know of yesterday, but no updates. Hopefully damouse will have one soon.

 

[orky8]

Here is a picture from twitter - supposedly from today. Unfortunately, ever since the walls went down in that one section, every one takes the same dang picture.

 

[flyerjab]

Here is a picture from twitter - supposedly from today. Unfortunately, ever since the walls went down in that one section, every one takes the same dang picture.

The one thing that I have been wondering after seeing this part of the ride for the umpteenth time concerns the railing at the top of the mountain. I have been assuming this whole time that the hand rails at the top will be coming down once all construction on the outside has been completed. I am hoping that there is not some OSHA requirement that would force WDW to have to keep those up there permanently. Just wondering...

 

[GoofGoof]

The one thing that I have been wondering after seeing this part of the ride for the umpteenth time concerns the railing at the top of the mountain. I have been assuming this whole time that the hand rails at the top will be coming down once all construction on the outside has been completed. I am hoping that there is not some OSHA requirement that would force WDW to have to keep those up there permanently. Just wondering...

Just a an educated guess, but if they needed to be permanent they probably would have themed them better to fit in. Those look pretty temporary to me...at least I hope

 

[orky8]

The one thing that I have been wondering after seeing this part of the ride for the umpteenth time concerns the railing at the top of the mountain. I have been assuming this whole time that the hand rails at the top will be coming down once all construction on the outside has been completed. I am hoping that there is not some OSHA requirement that would force WDW to have to keep those up there permanently. Just wondering...

I think they will be coming down.

 

[djkidkaz]

Here is a picture from twitter - supposedly from today. Unfortunately, ever since the walls went down in that one section, every one takes the same dang picture.

I notice there is still no grass to the right of the drop and I can see that grass is missing on the top to the left.

 

[orky8]

I notice there is still no grass to the right of the drop and I can see that grass is missing on the top to the left.

Yes, it is amazing how so much can get done one day, and then so many days go by with so little progress on an element.

 

[alissafalco]

I notice there is still no grass to the right of the drop and I can see that grass is missing on the top to the left.

I'm sure that's why the hand rails are still up there too

 

[mikeymouse]

Magic Mountain
the park with the giant golf ball
Disneyland Florida
Fast Track
Someone in Epcot asking where Disney World is
"Is Journey Into Imagination a roller coaster?"

HAHA yeah they think MK is "Disney World". Good, go tell everyone else that, in the mean time... CYA, I'm goin to the golf ball park.

 

[danlb_2000]

Here is my original post that was questioned:

I stick by that opinion. It's my opinion not an argument so of course it's based on my personal point of view. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want to have. If you want to believe that every ride that has been altered from its blue sky concepts or designs is a downgrade or a failure that's fine. As others have pointed out you would be including the majority of rides and attractions at any theme park. During the design process there are usually many versions of a ride or attraction before one is ultimately decided on. A simple example is World Showcase at EPCOT Center. There were plans for several additional countries from the beginning. There were plans for a boat ride in Germany and a bullet train ride in Japan. Those are just a few EPCOT concepts that ultimately never came about. I don't consider World Showcase to be a failure or a downgrade. It would have been great if it was built with all those things, but it wasn't. Same goes for Mine Train. It would be great if it had a second show scene and an additional lift hill but that's not the version that ultimately was selected. If you want to call it a downgrade that's fine, but IMHO that still doesn't make the ride an automatic failure. After all, if you use that logic it is actually a big upgrade since the official original plans called for a fairy meet and greet and no ride at all.

IMHO, if a ride isn't cut down from the original design then the designer wasn't trying hard enough. When designing something like this it would be best to start with the most grand design you can come up with, then scale back from there to get something that satisfies the budget.

 

[Matt_Black]

IMHO, if a ride isn't cut down from the original design then the designer wasn't trying hard enough. When designing something like this it would be best to start with the most grand design you can come up with, then scale back from there to get something that satisfies the budget.

That's generally true of anything.

 

[Tom]

Its 5:18 pm here at WDW and they're tunning trains with Imagineer looking people on them.

 

[alissafalco]

Its 5:18 pm here at WDW and they're tunning trains with Imagineer looking people on them.

post pics!!

 

[Scuttle]

post pics!!

Ya it's 2014 no excuse for no pics! Lol

 

[Tom]

We got paged into BoG for dinner before we could catch another going by. We only saw a loaded train once.

But we're watching right now and theyre running two trains. Looks like they've got them down to just under 40 second dispatch interval.