djkidkaz
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Any update?
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Mine Ride Construction Update
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Any update?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agreed. Overselling is equally annoying.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I guess that's the point though. It wasn't really downgraded. They ultimately chose a shorter design of the ride, but it's not like they started construction on the longer version and then switched to a lesser version. There are whole books out there with WDI designs that were never built. I'm sure there are scrapped designs out there for additional components of Carsland, Potterland, Potter 2.0, pick your favorite park or land.
I'm not sure why there has to be a Potter Swatter. If Disney would just do what they are capable of doing which they have proven they still can (see Carsland) it wouldn't be necessary. The magic bands are a disappointment considering what they could have done with that money instead. If each of the other 3 WDW parks got a major $1B+ overhaul/addition that would go a lot further at keeping people on property a lot longer than some mythical "Potter Swatter". Nobody is going to suddenly forget that Potterland exists because Disney opens 1 ride, especially if it was just a longer version of the mine train even if it was a true e-ticket with more AAs than Splash or Pirates. Even if they open StarWars Land with multiple e-tickets and amazing theming it still won't swat Potter.
spacemt354
Chili's
Before we start getting off topic again with another comparison battle between competitors, I will say that I agree that there does not need to be one Potter swatter, nor was this ever intended to be. The best "swatter" so to speak is just doing was Disney does best, build quality attractions and invest in the parks, not into tech.
Where I will still differ is in the definition of downgrade. I would say the WDW version of Pirates of the Caribbean is a downgrade from the Disneyland version. Scenes were cut, the ride was shortened, and ultimately the experience on the west coast is undeniably better than the east.
It's hard to determine how it would have been different from the version now. We'll wait and see in a few months. I still enjoy the WDW Pirates version. Do I wish it was like Disneyland? Sure. But in comparison to SDMT, let's just be thankful we are getting a new ride, instead of a meet-and-greet.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agreed with the first part. With POC you are comparing a clone of an actual ride to the original. It's clearly a lesser version. With Mine Train you are comparing an actual ride which hasn't even opened yet to a sketch that someone leaked on a fan site of what someone claims it could have been. That's where the difference comes in. If they build a clone of Mine Train in China and it is longer and has more show scenes then it's fair to say its an upgraded version of the original.
communicorefan1
Member
I wasn't able to get any great photos today but here is what I saw:
-the side of the mountain towards beast castle is 85% covered on all sides with the grass.
- there weren't a ton of workers on it throughout the day, but those working were primarily
on the mountain side towards Storybook circus.
- very limited scaffolding around the mountain with most of the scaffolding being isolated towards the very front of the mountain near the entrances. ( I'm going back on Friday with my good camera. So I'll try to show a better visual.)
-the roofing on the cottage looks pretty complete as do the front facades of the entrances.
- it also seems like new light posts were being placed at the very front of the cue area.
I'll be able to get some better shots hopefully on Friday!
-the side of the mountain towards beast castle is 85% covered on all sides with the grass.
- there weren't a ton of workers on it throughout the day, but those working were primarily
on the mountain side towards Storybook circus.
- very limited scaffolding around the mountain with most of the scaffolding being isolated towards the very front of the mountain near the entrances. ( I'm going back on Friday with my good camera. So I'll try to show a better visual.)
-the roofing on the cottage looks pretty complete as do the front facades of the entrances.
- it also seems like new light posts were being placed at the very front of the cue area.
I'll be able to get some better shots hopefully on Friday!
rioriz
Well-Known Member
@GoofGoof great arguments and one to add
i can almost bet my life savings there were versions of some of Walts fav that were so much better than what we got
it is the age we live in, years ago Marni, WDW1974,Lee and so on wouldnt have had info to make us feel like we have been cheated...
#getoverit
i can almost bet my life savings there were versions of some of Walts fav that were so much better than what we got
it is the age we live in, years ago Marni, WDW1974,Lee and so on wouldnt have had info to make us feel like we have been cheated...
#getoverit
mikeymouse
Well-Known Member
That drop looks similar to E:E's. Next thing you know, tourists will be getting the two mixed up. I get Mufasa chills when I hear someone use terms such as Magic "Mountain" and "the park with the big golf ball".
Matt_Black
Well-Known Member
Well, what should they have said? "These additions are going to be perfectly adequate."
alissafalco
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the update. Were the trains running?
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communicorefan1
Member
During the time I was there, I did not see any trains running. The only movement I saw was the lift hill chains starting up by the story book circus side, but no trains
Wikkler
Well-Known Member
Magic Mountain
the park with the giant golf ball
Disneyland Florida
Fast Track
Someone in Epcot asking where Disney World is
"Is Journey Into Imagination a roller coaster?"
Bocabear
Well-Known Member
Or say they just got out of the "Spooky House"...lol
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Disney used to announce all sort of projects that never got built. They'd have displays or dioramas in the parks to show people things like International Street or Thunder Mesa.
Goofnut1980
Well-Known Member
I think the next big attraction should be designed by the fans. Kinda like DIY Network does with Blog-cabin. They give us a few options each week, and we vote. How fun would that be. Then there would be no "leaked" plans because it would be based on the die-hard fans!
rioriz
Well-Known Member
And they still do (see HW). My response was about original concepts of rides that got built whose plans were downsized
Sped2424
Well-Known Member
First example I can think of is western river expeditions downgrade to big thunder mountain. However that was at a time when the company was literally living on whatever it was working with, and the parks were needed and really counted on sponsorship for a lot of their attractions. Simply put they weren't the multi billion dollar company they are now, so really its not that comparable to the amount of resources they have today.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Of course Disney isn't supposed to do that. They are going to hype the ride the way they hyped the rest of FLE. If I greenlit $400M+ on a project and anyone who worked for me said anything remotely close to negative publicly they would be looking for another job.
The part that does get annoying to me is to see some of the fan sites hype the ride too hard. It just riles up people to fire back with over the top negative comments. It's a viscous cycle. All signs point to this ride being exactly what it was sold as, an elaborately themed, visually stunning, family coaster and a good addition to Fantasyland.
Crazy Harry
Active Member
No offense, but this argument makes no sense to me. Whether you are referring to a planned attraction, or one that has been built, a downgrade is a downgrade.
If your argument is that we can't verify that the leaked information was reliable and we cannot prove there were alternate plans in the first place, then I agree with that completely. But the idea that you can only consider an attraction "downgraded" if it is currently existing and you have a currently existing counterpart for comparison is absurd. Under what basis are you making such a argument beyond your narrow, personal definition? After all, the rides would never be built without a plan in place first, so then how is a plan less eligible for comparison than a built attraction when looking at objective characteristics like show scenes, special effects, sound systems, and track length etc? The only difference between a plan and a ride is one was not built.
Can we not say that a Space Mountain refurbishment which gave us track mounted speakers is a downgrade from a plan that would have offered in car audio and a completely new track? There are many attractions and refurbishments where budgets were cut and we received a downgraded attraction as a result. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the two Imagination change overs were also subject to budget cuts and loss of better scenes and effects as a result. Or the length and ride experience of AK's raft ride.
When you get less than the original plan calls for, how is that not a downgrade?
Crazy Harry
Active Member
Even if we were ignorant to the existence of unrealized plans, it wouldn't change the fact that they existed.