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Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

peter11435

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Oh wow... I see they did that on #2+3. How visible is that from the park?
I still feel the style of fake soundstage used there has a bit more charm with the shape and patina used. MGM's style was fine- I certainly didn't mind it in the day, but I'd happily see it go away forever now. Universal's design stands out the most- hard edges and contrasting colors- probably my least favorite of the three styles.
It’s very visible from some places in the park
 

flynnibus

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Yes, I understand the studio theme, but even the sound stage buildings over in Paris have more charm.
I can imagine the meeting where someone suggested this as a theme and the bean-counters must have swooned at the thought that plain warehouse-type structures could now be acceptable.
But my posts were in response to the joy some had in seeing this look remain after the scrims came down.
Remember a few things..

1) you are looking at a photo of the exit in the wrong direction. What is projected here... is not what the actual users of the exit will be focused on. It's like looking over your shoulder in a ride and complaining about the set lights.. this view is not the primary one

2) The exterior of most theater or ride exits are generally bland... intentionally to make them 'go away' when not in use. Pick your park... American Adventure... Hall of Presidents... Country Bears... Living Seas...

What you are going on about is not really about the new attraction, but about retheming that entire street. As of yet, it's not changing from the backlot theme, and the new Mickey ride isn't changing that.

TL:DR - you're barking up the wrong tree
 

GlacierGlacier

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Guests really should never be drawn to the exit of an attraction. When the entrance and exit are as adjacent as these two are, they are especially careful.

And sure, a Grand-avenue style facade would look great.

If it made sense for the area.

GMR's entire building is tan and sound-stagey. From where guests can see the exit of the attraction, everything else is tan and sound-stagey. It's sitting right next to the ABC commissary, which is positioned across from the Frozen theater's back side. That, while not tan, is also sound-stagey.

Keeping it the same color and style as literally every other part of the park in proximity is not only thematically appropriate, it's the proper thing to do design-wise.

Now. The tan and sound-stagey design is something I'd like to see altered throughout the park. The alley and frozen theater is something that needs some work to prevent thematic conflict with the new direction of immersive lands and high-quality themeing.

But this exit isn't going to be the one to change that.
 

tmthomas52

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I heard on a recent Jim Hill Podcast that there may be a push to have this attraction open for Hollywood Studios 30th Anniversary, May 1. While I understand the issues of relying on Jim Hill for information I wanted to ask insiders here if they have heard this discrepancy from the sentiment I have seen that it may open with/near Galaxy's Edge. @lentesta seemed to be as surprised by Jim's comment as I was.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
I heard on a recent Jim Hill Podcast that there may be a push to have this attraction open for Hollywood Studios 30th Anniversary, May 1. While I understand the issues of relying on Jim Hill for information I wanted to ask insiders here if they have heard this discrepancy from the sentiment I have seen that it may open with/near Galaxy's Edge. @lentesta seemed to be as surprised by Jim's comment as I was.
Last I heard was possibly July.
 

HauntedPirate

Premium Member
I heard on a recent Jim Hill Podcast that there may be a push to have this attraction open for Hollywood Studios 30th Anniversary, May 1. While I understand the issues of relying on Jim Hill for information I wanted to ask insiders here if they have heard this discrepancy from the sentiment I have seen that it may open with/near Galaxy's Edge. @lentesta seemed to be as surprised by Jim's comment as I was.
Last I heard was possibly July.
Well, I know who I trust more when it comes to rumors. (Hint: It isn't Jim Hill) ;) Although I won't be going (yet), my wife wouldn't mind a July opening. :cool:
 

CalebS

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I heard on a recent Jim Hill Podcast that there may be a push to have this attraction open for Hollywood Studios 30th Anniversary, May 1. While I understand the issues of relying on Jim Hill for information I wanted to ask insiders here if they have heard this discrepancy from the sentiment I have seen that it may open with/near Galaxy's Edge. @lentesta seemed to be as surprised by Jim's comment as I was.
If only.. I’ll be there that week
 

Marc Davis Fan

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Actually, that 'tan' was intended to be thematic of studio lot buildings in order to make DMGMS look like a studio lot. When you're making movies, you got giant studio lot buildings.

However, now that it's not supposed to be a studio lot but rather an area of L.A./Hollywood, or, a movie land (ride the movie), then all the studio lot buildings should be rethemed. Just like they did with most of Grand Ave (the muppet store and part of the muppet theater still has studio lot theming).
Exactly. When the theme was clearly, unambiguously "you are visiting a studio" (and when the idea of visiting a movie/television studio was more interesting to people than it seems to be today), the studio buildings worked well. Granted, they were still a clever way to save money on theming, but they worked nonetheless.

Now that the studio concept has been removed from several areas (e.g., Grand Avenue), the "beige box" soundstage buildings really stand out - and I suspect it appears to the public that Disney just didn't theme the buildings, which should be an unacceptable appearance. The "movie set" theming of the Star Tours in Indiana Jones areas also really stand out: why are there movie sets plopped down in the middle of Los Angles streets? The same goes for "backstage" buildings like Backlot Express (if we're no longer on a backlot).

In order to make DHS work consistently, Disney needs to re-theme all of the soundstage buildings AND the remaining "movie set" buildings (Star Tours and Indiana Jones) AND the "backstage" buildings (e.g., Backlot Express). That is going to take a lot of step-by-step work over years. I think ST and IJ are already being taken care of, since those attractions are set to be replaced, and thus the new attractions will have new facades that can be made to fit (and maybe Backlot Express will be replaced during the development of those areas, since it's in between them). Hopefully, the Animation Courtyard area will be redeveloped in the relatively near future as well. This leaves Commissary Lane, the areas around the Chinese Theater (sides and back) / Pixar Place entrance area / TSL entrance corridor, and the Muppet Store building. I have difficulty believing they'll do much to fix these areas anytime soon, because that's an expensive proposition without much/any direct return on investment.

Do our insiders have any idea of how much Disney is taking seriously the aesthetic problems that continue to plague DHS, and scheduling/budgeting to continue making improvements?
 

dothebrdwalk

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Exactly. When the theme was clearly, unambiguously "you are visiting a studio" (and when the idea of visiting a movie/television studio was more interesting to people than it seems to be today), the studio buildings worked well. Granted, they were still a clever way to save money on theming, but they worked nonetheless.

Now that the studio concept has been removed from several areas (e.g., Grand Avenue), the "beige box" soundstage buildings really stand out - and I suspect it appears to the public that Disney just didn't theme the buildings, which should be an unacceptable appearance. The "movie set" theming of the Star Tours in Indiana Jones areas also really stand out: why are there movie sets plopped down in the middle of Los Angles streets? The same goes for "backstage" buildings like Backlot Express (if we're no longer on a backlot).

In order to make DHS work consistently, Disney needs to re-theme all of the soundstage buildings AND the remaining "movie set" buildings (Star Tours and Indiana Jones) AND the "backstage" buildings (e.g., Backlot Express). That is going to take a lot of step-by-step work over years. I think ST and IJ are already being taken care of, since those attractions are set to be replaced, and thus the new attractions will have new facades that can be made to fit (and maybe Backlot Express will be replaced during the development of those areas, since it's in between them). Hopefully, the Animation Courtyard area will be redeveloped in the relatively near future as well. This leaves Commissary Lane, the areas around the Chinese Theater (sides and back) / Pixar Place entrance area / TSL entrance corridor, and the Muppet Store building. I have difficulty believing they'll do much to fix these areas anytime soon, because that's an expensive proposition without much/any direct return on investment.

Do our insiders have any idea of how much Disney is taking seriously the aesthetic problems that continue to plague DHS, and scheduling/budgeting to continue making improvements?
Agreed. At least the Star Tours building needs to be redone. They did a nice job with that part of the park to get some Los Angeles consistency and then plopped in the middle is the Star Wars Sand Castle. IMO They could keep Animation Courtyard if instead they made it "Walt Disney Animation Studios." They should finish the sides of the Chinese Theatre for sure. Only thing I don't see is how they incorporate Toy Story Land transition into this LA theme park.
 

BrianLo

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Based on this categorization, what else would be considered a "Super E+"? Would it only be Shanghai's Pirates of the Caribbean so far? I recall our insiders (I think it was Martin, but not sure) comparing RotR to PotC Shanghai in scale and spectacle. I had the good fortune to ride PotC Shanghai in 2016, and while it was indeed a spectacular attraction and a tremendous feat of Imagineering, I'm not certain that I would put in a "class by itself" (but again, that doesn't exclude it from being a wonderful attraction).
I always use the letter grading in terms of scale rather than a commentary on quality. In terms of scale Shanghai's Pirates is definitely not in its own entire category, but it is as big as they've gone and pushes its category higher.

The modern Super Headliners tend to be the big show stoppers with modern tech that stand out from a scaling side of things. Usually that means an abundance of rock work these days: Journey to the Centre of the Earth, Radiator Springs Racers, Shanghai's Pirates, Flight of Passage. Kind of the prototypical single ride that someone will talk about in reference to a park.

Pirates, Space and Mansion being the old Super headliners and Indy/Splash/ToT in Florida being the Eisner era versions.
 

tonymu

Premium Member
When they started building the little building just outside the exit to Star Tours, I thought they built it there to begin to block the view to the sand walls exit. Now that they are almost finished with it I think it was definitely built there to block the view of the sand walls. There is no reason for it to be as tall as it is unless they want it to block the view. I think in a while we will see some scrims go up around the exit to Star Tours to remove the sand walls and make it blend in better.
 

DinoInstitute

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I was actually thinking recently that maybe they could have added a lot more foliage, with trees at the far end, gradually transitioning to entirely bamboo at the TSL end. They could’ve even had a bamboo-filled median halfway down the walkway that blocks the view of TSL from the far end. That would make for an awesome transition and reveal. (The only issue is whether they could accomplish this without sacrificing too much of the walkway space.)
They actually designed it intentionally so that there wasn’t one big reveal, but rather the ability to have a view of the land as a whole as if you’re walking into a backyard.
Personally I don’t think just adding trees would be able to hide the transition area, the two buildings on the sides are rather tall and could just use some clever theming.
 

GlacierGlacier

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When they started building the little building just outside the exit to Star Tours, I thought they built it there to begin to block the view to the sand walls exit. Now that they are almost finished with it I think it was definitely built there to block the view of the sand walls. There is no reason for it to be as tall as it is unless they want it to block the view. I think in a while we will see some scrims go up around the exit to Star Tours to remove the sand walls and make it blend in better.
Another explanation for the height: once crowds flood Grand Avenue, it's difficult to see anything that isn't taller than the tallest human. The old DVC booth does not fulfill this requirement. This one does.
 
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