Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

sedati

Well-Known Member
Have you seen Spaceship Earth?
The more I think about it the more baffled I am by some aspects of Epcot Center. Having a naked switchback greeting us upon entry is one such bafflement. Hopefully this can be remedied in the rumored refurb.

I'd also love it if the area flanking the Chinese Theatre could be enhanced. This is the hub of the park for gosh sakes and it is an embarassment and cheap beyond belief. We go from the beautiful golden age of "The Hollywood that never was but always will be," to the beige-age of mock studio warehouses.
 

MrPromey

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There are a number of people that you can ask for a definition of Clone and you will get different answers from everyone. I do not put ride system in that definition. If the attractions is a water ride then it is a water ride and the show scenes are basically the same. People here have issues if an attraction uses the same ride system with a different story because they consider it a clone. As if there can even possibly be a different ride system for every attraction that exists.

The Cars ride was talked against because it was the same ride system as Test Track, yet at one time there were 5 omni mover rides in Future World of the original EPCOT alone. No problem with the ride system on that one. And then there was Energy and over in MGM the GMR was basically the same ride system... no problem there. I don't even remember anymore the ones that I called a clone, but, all I used for identity was that same title, the same story (with some changes) and basically the same thing with show or ride vehicle. However, Cars and Test are completely different stories. Energy and GMR were completely different stories. They were not clones. They are simply attractions that share the same ride system technology.

Tiki Room in DL is exactly what it was in WDW until many years later they made some changes in the WDW show, however, it was the same attraction. Pirates was the same scene the same ride system and the same story, but, the beginning was more a New Orleans setting and it was in the New Orleans section. The beginning of the ride transitioned into the same Pirates ride with a couple of missing or different scenes. The idea was cloned in WDW after the one in DL.

Everyone is the same IP between DL and WDW. If a very large portion of it is the same story and concept then it is a clone in my book and along the lines of attractions in a theme park. I think clones are good especially if they are more then 1000 miles apart, to deny those, that for whatever reason, of enjoying a ride because it already exist 3000 miles or an ocean away, are just selfish and unreasonable. In the theme park world it is a good thing. If it is loved on the West coast it will probably be loved on the East coast. In my travels the one clone that stood out to me was Soarin. I had first seen it in DL and it was a walk on. I then went to the one in Epcot and the line was unbelievable and has remained that way to the point that they needed to add another theater. To have denied that particular clone would have been unfair to WDW guests. It was actually more popular as a clone then the original was. I see no problem in that.

Again, I don't think anyone here has been arguing against the idea of them cloning attractions. I don't recall any big arguments over TSMM, and whether it should exist on both coasts or not. They're talking about the location of the cloned attraction in the focal area of the park being the issues which you seem to for whatever reason, keep ignoring.

As an example for me personally (and to which I think, many would agree), I'm thrilled we got Soarin', as you pointed out. I would not have been thrilled if instead of adding it onto the Land, they'd decided to gut Spaceship Earth and put it in there somehow. Hopefully, even if you don't agree with that feeling, you can at least take a moment to understand and acknowledge the sentiment.

I wish we had a true clone of DL's pirates, BTW, we'd have a much better ride if we did... I also wish we had a full clone of Disneyland's Tiki Room, complete with the exterior Tiki Gods feature.
 
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MrPromey

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I don't, I was just trolling for the passive aggressive. Guess I hooked one. Unlike you and others at least I try to explain my thoughts. You guys just dismiss others and attempt to belittle and contradict just for the sake of contradicting.

And for the record, I wasn't being "passive-agressive". I was attempting to explain my thoughts (like you felt liberty to do) but now that I know I was wasting my time on a troll, I'll not bother with anything you say in the future.

Good day. ;)
 
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MaximumEd

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Technically less than there used to be. The original indoor theatre queue area will become two separate and alternate preshow rooms.

The multiple preshow room thing is not my cup of tea. Take FOP, for example. It’s cool and cute the first couple of times, but after that I just want to get on the ride. I’m fine with an immersive queue to notice new details in, same as an immersive ride, but these just lose their replay value pretty quick for me. Just my opinion, etc, etc.
 

Biff215

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Technically less than there used to be. The original indoor theatre queue area will become two separate and alternate preshow rooms.
What are they thinking? In a park with too few family attractions, they have to realize how popular this will be, even after SWGE opens. Have they not noticed TSMM all these years?

At another park they’re squandering an entire attraction space for a queue yet here they’re cutting it back when they likely have space to work with. I can’t understand why they wouldn’t just do the preshows in the former load/unload area. It’s not like that space isn’t capable of being converted, it’s just an empty warehouse.

For the record, now that GMR has been gone for my past two trips, I’m really looking forward to this. I just can’t imagine the mess this queue is going to cause right out front. Get ready for the end of line CM with the sign greeting you as you enter the park!
 

peter11435

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The multiple preshow room thing is not my cup of tea. Take FOP, for example. It’s cool and cute the first couple of times, but after that I just want to get on the ride. I’m fine with an immersive queue to notice new details in, same as an immersive ride, but these just lose their replay value pretty quick for me. Just my opinion, etc, etc.
The preshows aren’t delaying you getting to the ride. If they weren’t there you’d be waiting the same amount of time, just in a standard line instead of in a preshow.
 

Purduevian

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The multiple preshow room thing is not my cup of tea. Take FOP, for example. It’s cool and cute the first couple of times, but after that I just want to get on the ride. I’m fine with an immersive queue to notice new details in, same as an immersive ride, but these just lose their replay value pretty quick for me. Just my opinion, etc, etc.

I really think it depends on the pre-show. Some are amazing and add to the story. Others get repetitive, off the top of my head.
MK:
Tiki Room : Good!
Haunted Mansion: Good!
Stitch (RIP): Good!
COP?(Kinda): Good!

Epcot:
Mission Space: Bad
Test Track v1: Bad
Test Track v2: Good (I like building cars)
Ellen's Energy: OK
Soarin': OK
The Living Seas (no Nemo): Good

Hollywood Studios:
Muppets: OK
Back lot Tour (Water Tank): Good
Rock n' Rollercoaster: OK
Tower of Terror: Good

Animal Kingdom:
FOP: OK
Dinosaur: Ok to Bad

I'm sure I missed a ton though.
 

180º

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Dinosaur: Ok to Bad
It seems I’ve arrived just in time to correct a little misstatement.

Dinosaur: Brilliant, campy, succinct, delightful, and stylistically on point

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YodaMan

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I really think it depends on the pre-show. Some are amazing and add to the story. Others get repetitive, off the top of my head.
MK:
Tiki Room : Good!
Haunted Mansion: Good!
Stitch (RIP): Good!
COP?(Kinda): Good!

Epcot:
Mission Space: Bad
Test Track v1: Bad
Test Track v2: Good (I like building cars)
Ellen's Energy: OK
Soarin': OK
The Living Seas (no Nemo): Good

Hollywood Studios:
Muppets: OK
Back lot Tour (Water Tank): Good
Rock n' Rollercoaster: OK
Tower of Terror: Good

Animal Kingdom:
FOP: OK
Dinosaur: Ok to Bad

I'm sure I missed a ton though.

You lost me when you said the Muppets preshow was just “OK.” That will forever be the greatest preshow at Disney and I refuse to queue up until I can watch the preshow video from the beginning.
 

THE Monorail Lime

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It seems I’ve arrived just in time to correct a little misstatement.



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Of course. We were just talking about seatbelts. Plug them in. Use them. It can get kinda choppy out there, so keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle at all times. Flash photography? I wouldn’t. It alters the homing signal, and that’s not good.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
@marni1971 Before it closed how many people was GMR drawing? Obviously the sad state of the attraction ensured low guest attendance, a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. But, I'm wondering if capacity-wise MMRR will be nearly equivalent of a new attraction?

*Moved from wrong thread*
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Jeff from ED92 overheard that MMRR could also be coming to Paris... But not in WDSP anymore, but in the Disneyland Park! More in my Disneyland Paris sub-section post. Although this is really only just a noise, so don't get too excited.

If this be true, then greenlighting MMRR clones for the other shows how much Disney thinks the ride's going to be well-received, which comports with what our insiders say.

(Or... it's a ploy by Disney to convince Congress to extend copyright again...)
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
You lost me when you said the Muppets preshow was just “OK.” That will forever be the greatest preshow at Disney and I refuse to queue up until I can watch the preshow video from the beginning.

Muppets isn't bad, but I don't have anything listed as good that is just a TV screen. TOT, Test Track, and Back lot Tour have/had screens as part of them, but there is a lot more going on in all of them. COP is the only one I was questioning good vs ok, but I really like the quick history lesson before the ride starts.

Oddly enough, Stitch was one of only 2 attractions I can think of that had AAs in the preshow (tiki room is the other).
 

bshah365

Well-Known Member
@marni1971 Before it closed how many people was GMR drawing? Obviously the sad state of the attraction ensured low guest attendance, a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. But, I'm wondering if capacity-wise MMRR will be nearly equivalent of a new attraction?

*Moved from wrong thread*

I feel like attendance wasn't the only factor... wouldn't a CM have to spiel on each ride vehicle? I can only imagine how the area might have been impacted running a fully staffed attraction like that with little to no guests boarding... MMRR won't have that issue as they'll probably only require dispatch and unload positions inside the attraction..
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
I feel like attendance wasn't the only factor... wouldn't a CM have to spiel on each ride vehicle? I can only imagine how the area might have been impacted running a fully staffed attraction like that with little to no guests boarding... MMRR won't have that issue as they'll probably only require dispatch and unload positions inside the attraction..
When was there ever “little to no guests boarding”?

MMRR will require more than just a couple positions. Most attraction take many more Cast to operate than people realize.
 

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