Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

[MisterPenguin]

Because in my thought on the configuration, in order for it to be the size and scope that is predicted it'll take up the entire back wall. This means everything from the current M&Gs to RRCTS would go. Also I predict they'd have to raze the entire land in order to enclose it properly basically making one big show building.

Here's 1.85 acres taking up the back wall...

Just a note: The 1.85 acres comes from reducing the 2 acres that TGMR currently takes up. Don't know where people are talking about using less space than that. That's the best guest for an efficient use of space with no extra space for M&Gs or anything else... unless you build another level.

 

[Disney Irish]

Here's 1.85 acres taking up the back wall...

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Just a note: The 1.85 acres comes from reducing the 2 acres that TGMR currently takes up. Don't know where people are talking about using less space than that. That's the best guest for an efficient use of space with no extra space for M&Gs or anything else... unless you build another level.

Yes however the way I understand it they aren't completely knocking down TGMR, just reusing the show building. So with a purpose built show building you can save space that using an existing show building doesn't allow you.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I’m actually still confused as to why they didn’t add a walkway from the walkway between the fantasyland theater and train tracks to the newly built SWGE fantasyland entrance.

Maybe because a below grade service road runs between FL and SW Land?

 

[mickEblu]

Because in my thought on the configuration, in order for it to be the size and scope that is predicted it'll take up the entire back wall. This means everything from the current M&Gs to RRCTS would go. Also I predict they'd have to raze the entire land in order to enclose it properly basically making one big show building.

Oh I see. I misunderstood what you meant by back wall

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh I see. I misunderstood what you meant by back wall

And by doing this you can put in one or two B/C rides for the kids, M&Gs, and a restaurant that trying to put it on the east or west side doesn't allow you.

 

[mharrington]

We know it's based on the newer series because that is what was announced for DHS and this is supposed to be a clone. Obviously none of us know anything for sure. It's just fun to discuss the possibilties. Like I've said In a couple other posts 1.85 acres is a lot of room and they could fit the meet n greets in there. The walk throughs would be a loss but maybe they could be part of the queue for the new Mickey ride somehow?

I know that this ride is being based on the newer Mickey shorts. My concern with the alleged new meet-n-greet is that it will be based on the new shorts, too, with no references whatever to the classic cartoons (except maybe for "Steamboat Willie" and "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"). If this ride idea goes through (at least in plan B - the western side of Toontown), I have a feeling that all references to classic shorts (background music, images on the house walls, etc.) will be replaced by these new shorts.

I doubt anyone actually "forgets" Toontown is for kids. I think it's more that many DL fans are willing to give up Toontown for insert X Land or ride because of the fact that Real estate is hard to come by at DLR. If Toontown were to go for Frozen or the Mickey ride those are both still appealing to kids. It's not as if Toontown would be Demo'd for a thrill ride. Capacity is the number one issue at the resort right now. A Mickey or Frozen E ticket would help out
a lot. If they find a way to keep Roger even better but you have to wonder how many people would even Q up for Roger with a shiny new Mickey ride right across the way.

I think one reason why they went with shutting down the Great Movie Ride in the first place is because the myriad movies in the ride were not Disney properties (save for "Mary Poppins" and, to a lesser extent, "Fantasia"). It's kind of the same thing with Roger Rabbit, which is not entirely owned by Disney, either. My guess is that this new Mickey ride will replace Roger Rabbit and spare the neighborhood. For all we know, it could be condensed and not be the full, complete ride it is in Florida.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes however the way I understand it they aren't completely knocking down TGMR, just reusing the show building. So with a purpose built show building you can save space that using an existing show building doesn't allow you.

Sometimes there is not a desire to spend the money on reworking the attraction layout. Transformers: The Ride – 3D at Universal Studios Singapore and Universal Studios Florida are in buildings that follow the constraints of Universal Studios Hollywood.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sometimes there is not a desire to spend the money on reworking the attraction layout. Transformers: The Ride – 3D at Universal Studios Singapore and Universal Studios Florida are in buildings that follow the constraints of Universal Studios Hollywood.

Yes, however there isn't a large enough building in TT to accommodate this new attraction. As such they would have to build a new building and thus remove large sections of TT. So it doesn't matter if there isn't a desire, the fact a new building has to be built means unused portions don't have to be.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes however the way I understand it they aren't completely knocking down TGMR, just reusing the show building. So with a purpose built show building you can save space that using an existing show building doesn't allow you.

I don't know how many times I need to say this... the 1.85 acres figure is already the footprint without the wasted space. TGMR is 2 acres. @marni1971 said that when they put M&MRR in that building, that 5-10% will be leftover wasted space. So, averaging the estimate range, we're now down to a footprint of 1.85 acres. Any space saving you're going to get by cutting out wasted space won't happen if it's a clone... there is no more wasted space to cut.

TGMR is already larger than they need it to be and they're using up exactly what they need to. And 5-10% of the rest of the space will be empty.

Or, let me ask you: Show your work. Show the math of how you get to less than 1.85 acres. Cite your sources and work out the math for us.

 

[mharrington]

Do we know when exactly Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway is opening in Florida? Because if it's not until, say, 2019, who knows what's going to happen? It's still about a year and a half out, so anything can happen. I believe they mentioned it as the "third phase" of the Studio overhaul, which I take to mean will come after the Toy Story and Star Wars lands, in that order.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Do we know when exactly Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway is opening in Florida? Because if it's not until, say, 2019, who knows what's going to happen? It's still about a year and a half out, so anything can happen. I believe they mentioned it as the "third phase" of the Studio overhaul, which I take to mean will come after the Toy Story and Star Wars lands, in that order.

It's due to open Late 2019, about the same time as SW:GE in DHS.

The third phase fizzled out (TSL and SWL were phases one and two). Not that they're not kicking around ideas for further development which may or may not include new 'lands', but nothing's being committed to past the current projects.

For all rumors WDW, check out: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/rumor-and-timeline-tracker-v-2.934137/

 

[brb1006]

Do we know when exactly Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway is opening in Florida? Because if it's not until, say, 2019, who knows what's going to happen? It's still about a year and a half out, so anything can happen. I believe they mentioned it as the "third phase" of the Studio overhaul, which I take to mean will come after the Toy Story and Star Wars lands, in that order.

Martin said late 2019

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't know how many times I need to say this... the 1.85 acres figure is already the footprint without the wasted space. TGMR is 2 acres. @marni1971 said that when they put M&MRR in that building, that 5-10% will be leftover wasted space. So, averaging the estimate range, we're now down to a footprint of 1.85 acres. Any space saving you're going to get by cutting out wasted space won't happen if it's a clone... there is no more wasted space to cut.

TGMR is already larger than they need it to be and they're using up exactly what they need to. And 5-10% of the rest of the space will be empty.

Or, let me ask you: Show your work. Show the math of how you get to less than 1.85 acres. Cite your sources and work out the math for us.

You are taking a figure that is currently a rumor about a project that isn't even built yet. I'm not questioning the source either, so don't think that. It could be exactly 1.85 acres for the TGMR version, or it could be more or less when they finish building it. So while I don't care if its exactly 1.85 acres in the end, I'm just saying don't be surprised if in the end its less or more for the DLR version. Because they will have to build a new building they can change things, tweak things, cut things, etc. They may decide that the TGMR version is too large for TT so they have to make it smaller. Maybe they make a slightly different building configuration because of the land size. Clone attractions aren't always direct clones right down to the sqft and size and configuration of the show building.

My point, don't be so exact or so sure in your figures just because another version is being built.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

Bottom line I don't see any scenario if MMRR goes into TT that Roger gets saved. Disney doesn't have any issue with closing a popular attraction in order to open a new one.

Not really. When's the last time Disneyland Resort gutted a popular, functional ride and put a brand new ride in its place? That doesn't really happen at Disneyland Resort. The only way MMRR replaces Roger is if MMR utilizes Roger's old ride system (it won't).

 

[Disney Irish]

Not really. When's the last time Disneyland Resort gutted a popular, functional ride and put a brand new ride in its place? That doesn't really happen at Disneyland Resort. The only way MMRR replaces Roger is if MMR utilizes Roger's old ride system (it won't).

Seriously?

Adventures thru Inner Space turned into Star Tours.
Carousel of Progress was gutted to turn into America Sings. Only the moving theater ride system was kept.
Peoplemover turned into RocketRods.
America Sings gutted to turn into Innoventions.

And that's just Tomorrowland.

We can even look more recent with Tower of Terror being turned into Guardians of the Galaxy. While the ride system was kept, the building was gutted.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

Seriously?

Adventures thru Inner Space turned into Star Tours.
Carousel of Progress was gutted to turn into America Sings. Only the moving theater ride system was kept.
Peoplemover turned into RocketRods.
America Sings gutted to turn into Innoventions.

And that's just Tomorrowland.

We can even look more recent with Tower of Terror being turned into Guardians of the Galaxy. While the ride system was kept, the building was gutted.

No, seriously. The only one of those that replaced one ride system for a new ride system was ATIS -> ST back in the 80's. None of those other examples are equivalent to removing one "ride package" for a brand new ride package. Because if the Mickey ride requires the removal of Roger Rabbit, it will require the complete demolition of Roger Rabbit, show building and all.

 

[Disney Irish]

No, seriously. The only one of those that replaced one ride system for a new ride system was ATIS -> ST back in the 80's. None of those other examples are equivalent to removing one "ride package" for a brand new ride package. Because if the Mickey ride requires the removal of Roger Rabbit, it will require the complete demolition of Roger Rabbit, show building and all.

Ok, a few more....

Mine Train through Nature's Wonderland taken out to put in Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Country Bear Jamboree taken out to put in Winnie the Pooh

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

Ok, a few more....

Mine Train through Nature's Wonderland taken out to put in Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Country Bear Jamboree taken out to put in Winnie the Pooh

BTM happened before ST even. That's ancient history. And I specified "gutted a popular, functional ride." Even though it was a mistake, CBJ was never very popular. I know I'm being picky about my criterium, I just don't believe there's any recent precedent for removing a ride as popular and expensive as Roger Rabbit (which is treated like an E ticket at DL) for a brand new ride package.

 

[Disney Irish]

BTM happened before ST even. That's ancient history. And I specified "gutted a popular, functional ride." Even though it was a mistake, CBJ was never very popular. I know I'm being picky about my criterium, I just don't believe there's any recent precedent for removing a ride as popular and expensive as Roger Rabbit (which is treated like an E ticket at DL) for a brand new ride package.

Point is its not unprecedented. It has happened in the past, even if you want to try to narrow the definition more and more to make your point.

Disneyland has a history of removing or changing one thing to open a new thing going all the way back to Walt's days of running the park.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Not really. When's the last time Disneyland Resort gutted a popular, functional ride and put a brand new ride in its place? That doesn't really happen at Disneyland Resort. The only way MMRR replaces Roger is if MMR utilizes Roger's old ride system (it won't).

Disney is not afraid of taking out popular attractions at the DLR. Just because it doesn’t happen often doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen at all.

How would you know if Disney would have a problem replacing Roger?