Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

[BrianLo]

Very few know who Mr. Toad is either. Most of Story book people don't know anything about either. Should something be removed because most of the public is ignorant?

My policy is something should be removed if a significant upgrade with thematic integrity can be achieved with the same area. Very little could utilize Toad's building and be considered a massive improvement. Toontown on the other hand (+Roger) could be utilized for something more interesting than an ok C-ticket and M&G's. A Mickey E-ticket fits that bill.

Yes none of the Fantasyland B/C's compare to Hunny Hunt, but they also occupy minuscule slices of real estate collectively. Pooh and Roger both occupy land that could actually house something on a Hunny Hunt or beyond scale.

 

[alias8703]

Why get rid of Roger when they can remove everything but Roger? Toon Town just gets smaller. The entrance could be through Laugh Factory and the coaster, Donald's boat, Goofy's house, Chip&Dale Tree and Mickey/Minnie's house go away for a show building.

As I said before, the Roger Rabbit ride is based on a property that few people know about anymore. Most people know about Mickey and the gang, but few know about Roger. And anyway, if that expansion pad is used, I have a feeling it's for Star Wars, since it's right there anyway.

I agree it would be silly of them to remove a pretty popular ride as opposed to removing the current meet and greet areas and bleh family coaster. With the new Runaway Railway building taking over the east side of toontown they could easily add new and improved meet and greets into the MMRR showbuilding (make it two stories having the M&Gs and queue on the lower floor) and then they'd have 2 dark rides in toon town. Even if they retheme Roger Rabit to Tale SPIN (see what I did there) or Goofy or something it would be better to have 2 rides than to lose the one ride for another.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Well, this should settle what has to go if M&MRR goes into Toontown...

Here is the 1.85 acres taking over the west side. That pretty much just leaves Roger Rabbit.

Now, can we fit 1.85 acres on the east side?

Not really...

The tunnel under the railroad limits the width of the southern part of the building, forcing to take up more and more space along the northern edge. Also, leaving a walk way to the M&G and the coaster also pinches the building. It is pretty much unfeasible to put M&MRR over Roger Rabbit.

 

[mickEblu]

Well, this should settle what has to go if M&MRR goes into Toontown...

Here is the 1.85 acres taking over the west side. That pretty much just leaves Roger Rabbit.

View attachment 240555

Now, can we fit 1.85 acres on the east side?

Not really...

View attachment 240556

The tunnel under the railroad limits the width of the southern part of the building, forcing to take up more and more space along the northern edge. Also, leaving a walk way to the M&G and the coaster also pinches the building. It is pretty much unfeasible to put M&MRR over Roger Rabbit.

Thank you! This is what I have been trying to say over and over but a picture is worth 1000 words as they say. Of course the big assumptions are that no backstage will be moved, they won't be using any of the expansion pad for this and that it will be an exact clone and not a condensed version.

 

[mickEblu]

Well, this should settle what has to go if M&MRR goes into Toontown...

Here is the 1.85 acres taking over the west side. That pretty much just leaves Roger Rabbit.

View attachment 240555

Now, can we fit 1.85 acres on the east side?

Not really...

View attachment 240556

The tunnel under the railroad limits the width of the southern part of the building, forcing to take up more and more space along the northern edge. Also, leaving a walk way to the M&G and the coaster also pinches the building. It is pretty much unfeasible to put M&MRR over Roger Rabbit.

And to add to your point what about the flow of the land? Wouldn't it make sense to have the new Mickey ride all the way at the back of Toontown (using up some or all of the expansion pad) with an entrance to Star Wars Land? Their will still need to be at least one restaurant, a store, restrooms etc. All things they wouldnt have to worry about building if they put the ride opposite Roger/ Downtown. This would get rid of the last dead end, help with traffic flow and finally give guests the ability to circumnavigate the entire park.

 

[MisterPenguin]

And to add to your point what about the flow of the land? Wouldn't it make sense to have the new Mickey ride all the way in the back of Toontown (using up some or all of the expansion pad) with an entrance to Star Wars Land? This would get rid of the last dead end, help with traffic flow and finally give guests the ability to circumnavigate the entire park.

So highly doubtful they'll put a fourth entrance into SWL or not keep the expansion pad for SWL. Besides, the humongous building couldn't fit overlapping the two lands and also allow space for a path between the two lands. And finally, it would block what is probably an emergency entrance/exit to the park.

 

[mharrington]

Of course the big assumptions are that no backstage will be moved, they won't be using any of the expansion pad for this and that it will be an exact clone and not a condensed version.

As I've been saying repeatedly, I have a feeling they will use some backstage areas. And it could be a condensed version and not an exact clone. And as I also said before, I really think if the expansion pad is used, it will be for Star Wars, not for Toontown. Besides, that area could be used for emergency exit routes.

 

[mickEblu]

So highly doubtful they'll put a fourth entrance into SWL or not keep the expansion pad for SWL. Besides, the humongous building couldn't fit overlapping the two lands and also allow space for a path between the two lands. And finally, it would block what is probably an emergency entrance/exit to the park.

It wouldn't have to be some grand entrance. Even something as indiscreet as the path at the back of Bugs Land to Cars Land. But ya I mean the odds are the expansion pad is for Star Wars if it's even an expansion pad at all.

 

[mharrington]

Very few know who Mr. Toad is either. Most of Story book people don't know anything about either. Should something be removed because most of the public is ignorant?

To be fair, Roger Rabbit is not entirely a Disney property, it is owned, at least in part, by Amblin.

 

[mickEblu]

As I've been saying repeatedly, I have a feeling they will use some backstage areas. And it could be a condensed version and not an exact clone. And as I also said before, I really think if the expansion pad is used, it will be for Star Wars, not for Toontown. Besides, that area could be used for emergency exit routes.

Well since you have a feeling and have repeated it I will stop discussing other possibilities.

Lol jk

 

[TwilightZone]

Well, this should settle what has to go if M&MRR goes into Toontown...

Here is the 1.85 acres taking over the west side. That pretty much just leaves Roger Rabbit.

View attachment 240555

Now, can we fit 1.85 acres on the east side?

Not really...

View attachment 240556

The tunnel under the railroad limits the width of the southern part of the building, forcing to take up more and more space along the northern edge. Also, leaving a walk way to the M&G and the coaster also pinches the building. It is pretty much unfeasible to put M&MRR over Roger Rabbit.

I think image b makes more sense, layout wise. If image a happens, toontown will sort of, kind of still exist, but it will be a lesser experience then what is there now.

 

[mickEblu]

I think image b makes more sense, layout wise. If image a happens, toontown will sort of, kind of still exist, but it will be a lesser experience then what is there now.

Agreed. In addition the meet and greets should and probably will be moved to the new show building where hopefully the can also relocate the facades and some of the props.

 

[mharrington]

Well since you have a feeling and have repeated it I will stop discussing other possibilities.

Lol jk

The fact is none of us really know what's happening. It may not even end up happening at all. Besides, the Mickey meet-n-greet in particular is pretty popular. I'm not sure they would want to give up this meet-n-greet area that's also a great walkthrough attraction in its own right (something like the treehouse). If image A were to be used, I doubt it would make much difference in the stuff there to do. It will just be breaking even. But if image B were used, that would take away not just meet-n-greets, but also the notion that this is Mickey and the gang's home, not to mention a coaster primarily for kids.

People forget that Toontown is intended primarily (maybe even solely) for kids. I doubt the powers that be would want to do too much to impact that. If they use the entire 1.85 acres for the ride, I doubt there will be much space left for the meet-n-greets, let alone as fancy as what they had before. And even if they did, I have a feeling that they, like the new ride, will be primarily based not on the classic shorts but on the newer series.

 

[Magic Feather]

If M&MRR is cloned, it is going in a GMR __x__ soundstage with theming. This lesser space is the equivalent of the Toad to Pooh change, where all of the dead space is unusable. Just some corners are being cut, that is all. GMR was just a really efficient use of space, not that MaMRR isn't, it is just less so.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Besides, the Mickey meet-n-greet in particular is pretty popular. I'm not sure they would want to give up this meet-n-greet area that's also a great walkthrough attraction in its own right (something like the treehouse).

Couldn't it be moved to another location at the resort? It worked out fine for the MK.

 

[mickEblu]

The fact is none of us really know what's happening. It may not even end up happening at all. Besides, the Mickey meet-n-greet in particular is pretty popular. I'm not sure they would want to give up this meet-n-greet area that's also a great walkthrough attraction in its own right (something like the treehouse). If image A were to be used, I doubt it would make much difference in the stuff there to do. It will just be breaking even. But if image B were used, that would take away not just meet-n-greets, but also the notion that this is Mickey and the gang's home, not to mention a coaster primarily for kids.

People forget that Toontown is intended primarily (maybe even solely) for kids. I doubt the powers that be would want to do too much to impact that. If they use the entire 1.85 acres for the ride, I doubt there will be much space left for the meet-n-greets, let alone as fancy as what they had before. And even if they did, I have a feeling that they, like the new ride, will be primarily based not on the classic shorts but on the newer series.

We know it's based on the newer series because that is what was announced for DHS and this is supposed to be a clone. Obviously none of us know anything for sure. It's just fun to discuss the possibilties. Like I've said In a couple other posts 1.85 acres is a lot of room and they could fit the meet n greets in there. The walk throughs would be a loss but maybe they could be part of the queue for the new Mickey ride somehow?

I doubt anyone actually "forgets" Toontown is for kids. I think it's more that many DL fans are willing to give up Toontown for insert X Land or ride because of the fact that Real estate is hard to come by at DLR. If Toontown were to go for Frozen or the Mickey ride those are both still appealing to kids. It's not as if Toontown would be Demo'd for a thrill ride. Capacity is the number one issue at the resort right now. A Mickey or Frozen E ticket would help out
a lot. If they find a way to keep Roger even better but you have to wonder how many people would even Q up for Roger with a shiny new Mickey ride right across the way.

 

[Ismael Flores]

I agree it would be silly of them to remove a pretty popular ride as opposed to removing the current meet and greet areas and bleh family coaster. With the new Runaway Railway building taking over the east side of toontown they could easily add new and improved meet and greets into the MMRR showbuilding (make it two stories having the M&Gs and queue on the lower floor) and then they'd have 2 dark rides in toon town. Even if they retheme Roger Rabit to Tale SPIN (see what I did there) or Goofy or something it would be better to have 2 rides than to lose the one ride for another.

I agree I don’t a see why they would need to remove roger. They can’t easily relocate the toontown underpass So that it is somewhere closer to wherever the train station is. Move the train station east a bit so it cradles the new underpass.

Now you have a huge piece of land that includes the old trolley barn and the large landscaped area for a rebuilt mickey and Minnie meet and greet.
I have actually cut and pasted the existing meet and greet building in that area and then fits perfectly with minor modifications and the trolley barn can be used as part of that.

Now tear out the residential area and create a proper entrance area to the runaway train ride that fits the existing and remaining toontown.


I’m actually still confused as to why they didn’t add a walkway from the walkway between the fantasyland theater and train tracks to the newly built SWGE fantasyland entrance. They could have easily built it as a tunnel under the new train path and have it come out somewhere south of where the prop wagon is. I know there is a backstage road and passage there but it hasn’t stop them from building swinging gates in other parts of both parks. They could close them when they needed access for trucks or supplies and opened the path during high traffic days to help the flow of the dead end in IASW

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, this should settle what has to go if M&MRR goes into Toontown...

Here is the 1.85 acres taking over the west side. That pretty much just leaves Roger Rabbit.

View attachment 240555

Now, can we fit 1.85 acres on the east side?

Not really...

View attachment 240556

The tunnel under the railroad limits the width of the southern part of the building, forcing to take up more and more space along the northern edge. Also, leaving a walk way to the M&G and the coaster also pinches the building. It is pretty much unfeasible to put M&MRR over Roger Rabbit.

Couple thoughts on this.

1. Its too much of an assumption that the DLR version will be 1.85 acres based on GMR show building being used in WDW. If it goes into TT they'll likely not use any of the existing buildings. Which means it'll be a new building build-out not a gut and reuse build-out. So that 1.85 acres could be less or even more depending on size and scope of the ride.
2. The fireworks issue makes building this out in TT an interesting proposition. What I see them doing is completely tearing down all of TT. Then as I said previously enclose the entire area. The attraction will take the entire back wall of TT with restaurant to the left to share facilities with SWL:GE and M&Gs to right of the land. That may even allow them enough space to put in another attraction like Barnstormer (which has the added benefit of being able to remove GSS from DCA and reclaim that spot).

Bottom line I don't see any scenario if MMRR goes into TT that Roger gets saved. Disney doesn't have any issue with closing a popular attraction in order to open a new one.

 

[mickEblu]

Couple thoughts on this.

1. Its too much of an assumption that the DLR version will be 1.85 acres based on GMR show building being used in WDW. If it goes into TT they'll likely not use any of the existing buildings. Which means it'll be a new building build-out not a gut and reuse build-out. So that 1.85 acres could be less or even more depending on size and scope of the ride.
2. The fireworks issue makes building this out in TT an interesting proposition. What I see them doing is completely tearing down all of TT. Then as I said previously enclose the entire area. The attraction will take the entire back wall of TT with restaurant to the left to share facilities with SWL:GE and M&Gs to right of the land. The may even allow them enough space to put in another attraction like Barnstormer (which has the added benefit of being able to remove GSS from DCA and reclaim that spot).

Bottom line I don't see any scenario if MMRR goes into TT that Roger gets saved. Disney doesn't have any issue with closing a popular attraction in order to open a new one.

So I was following along until the last paragraph. If you think that MMRR is going to be built in the back of Toontown why does that effect RRCTS?

 

[Disney Irish]

So I was following along until the last paragraph. If you think that MMRR is going to be built in the back of Toontown why does that effect RRCTS?

Because in my thought on the configuration, in order for it to be the size and scope that is predicted it'll take up the entire back wall. This means everything from the current M&Gs to RRCTS would go. Also I predict they'd have to raze the entire land in order to enclose it properly basically making one big show building.