Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

[Professortango1]

Pooh replaced CBJ at DL and is also longer with better scenes than Toad. Main Street vehicles run until noon, only 3 hours less than DL I believe. The lagoon was replaced with two attractions and have their own water features. Lines are necessary for meet and greets at WDW, Atleast they have nice waiting areas.
It's also the only DL style park (along with TDL) without a land devoted to one franchise (no Storybook circus isn't a land)


Someone read a Yahoo article and thought it was true. As of now it isn't.

I wouldn't say the scenes in Pooh are better than Toad. Toad was an incredible attraction. Pooh...is cute. Its not terrible or anything, but Toad was more enjoyable for many.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Both Pooh rides are pretty awful IMO and neither of them is worth more than a 5 min wait.

I wouldn't wait more than 5 minutes for Toad. Well, maybe 10.

 

[Little Green Men]

I wouldn't say the scenes in Pooh are better than Toad. Toad was an incredible attraction. Pooh...is cute. Its not terrible or anything, but Toad was more enjoyable for many.

It's not that Toad isn't charming and fun, but Pooh has 3D figures and effects while Toad is mostly cardboard cut-outs.

 

[Phroobar]

The new fireworks show, Happily Ever After.

Does Disney give out HEAs after the show? I thought that was illegal.

 

[Professortango1]

It's not that Toad isn't charming and fun, but Pooh has 3D figures and effects while Toad is mostly cardboard cut-outs.

I'm pretty sure they use wood, not cardboard.

 

[Hattieboxghost110]

Things like the gutting of Main Street to sell more plush, Toad closing for Pooh, the closure of the canoes, the Main St. Vehicles operating so infrequently, making people wait in line for nearly all character encounters, the sub lagoon being filled in, Space Mtn. getting a half-baked overhaul...

destroying Snow White Scary Adventures for princess meet and greet, value-engineering 7 Dwarves Mine Train, ruining the atmosphere of the Haunted Mansion by creating a silly queue, getting rid of animotronic Hitchhiking ghosts in favor of CGI, removing the trees at the main hub, giving preferential treatment to resort guests by allowing them to have first pick of the best attractions through Fastpass + 60 days in advance, letting their last classic Fantasyland dark ride(outside of IASW), Peter Pan's Flight, deteriorate, etc.

 

[Hattieboxghost110]

while Toad is mostly cardboard cut-outs.

I'm pretty sure they use wood, not cardboard.

Sorry Grand Canyon, better luck next time buddy

 

[Kram Sacul]

It's not that Toad isn't charming and fun, but Pooh has 3D figures and effects while Toad is mostly cardboard cut-outs.

Even with the flat blacklit cutouts the scenes and track layout on Toad are far more interesting than on Pooh's. Also in Toad you go through the scenes and feel like you're in the action. On Pooh you just go past and observe.

 

[Californian Elitist]

It's not that Toad isn't charming and fun, but Pooh has 3D figures and effects while Toad is mostly cardboard cut-outs.

There isn’t a trace of cardboard in Toad.

 

[Little Green Men]

Ok wood , point is they're painted flats not figures. I didn't say it's a bad ride and am not trying to insult it.

 

[Little Green Men]

destroying Snow White Scary Adventures for princess meet and greet, value-engineering 7 Dwarves Mine Train, ruining the atmosphere of the Haunted Mansion by creating a silly queue, getting rid of animotronic Hitchhiking ghosts in favor of CGI, removing the trees at the main hub, giving preferential treatment to resort guests by allowing them to have first pick of the best attractions through Fastpass + 60 days in advance, letting their last classic Fantasyland dark ride(outside of IASW), Peter Pan's Flight, deteriorate, etc.

I can always count on you to list why WDW sucks. "Value engineered" yet has some of the best animatronic figures and brought a dated ride into the 21st century. HM is still superior in WDW, you don't have to go through the queue and those ghosts actually interact with guests instead of sit there like the dated figures they were. Nope the new hub has many trees. Even some that block the fireworks! The horror.

Yes there are perks to Resort guests. If you live in CA you're likely going to need to be staying somewhere anyways. I'll take the new FP system over the old. No more running to attractions as soon as the park opens, just a simple touch. And they actually have many attractions available same day. The FL were out of date. Would I have liked them to stay? Yes. But it's not the end of the world.

Sorry Grand Canyon, better luck next time buddy

 

[Hattieboxghost110]

Ok wood , point is they're painted flats not figures. I didn't say it's a bad ride and am not trying to insult it.

It's funny how you always end up on the wrong side of the argument. It's also very amusing to me watching you backtrack faster than hell when everybody calls you out on it!

 

[Hattieboxghost110]

I can always count on you to list why WDW sucks.

Ah yes, and I can always count on you to come to WDW's defense like a knight in shining armor. No matter how valid the criticism, whether it comes from me or anybody else...

"Value engineered" yet has some of the best animatronic figures and brought a dated ride into the 21st century.

Dude, it has been documented on here how the original plans for 7DMT were bigger and better and how they got scaled back due to budget cuts. Here is a quote from the man himself about the ride a few years back about this topic.

So time and money spent designing something to the point of having working blueprints - and that's technical blueprints, not a concept sketch - is done when they have no plan of building it? It was designed. It was planned. It was then cut down.

If you think SWSA was a dated ride, then by that logic you must be in favor of gutting Peter Pan's Flight and replacing it with a short kiddie coaster with only 1 advanced show scene. Not everything has to be super high-tech my man.

Nope the new hub has many trees.

You are just factually wrong. The loss of trees at the Magic Kingdom Main Street & Hub has been mourned since at least 2009. Look at how Magic Kingdom hub used to look like.

I know you think that I'm just a WDW hater, I'm sure some others do as well. The reality is that I'm a WDW lamentor, saddened at how far it's fallen from grace. At its peak, WDW was a thing of beauty and inspiration, but sadly it is no more.

 

[Little Green Men]

No i didn't say there are as many trees as 71, I said they added more trees since the hub expansion. It is no longer the barren concrete jungle from 05-15. For example:

I'm not backtracking, I never claimed Toad was a bad ride. Of course I miss it, I'm just saying pooh is a worthy replacement. You don't have to agree. As for SWSA I found WDWs better than DL's and was saddened by its closure but I enjoy the mine train for adding a little thrill to FL. When people say kiddie coaster I think of Barnstormer or Gadgets go coaster. SDMT is Atleast 2 minutes long and has a great scene and the finale is a nice nod to the original. I'll take the new ride over the meet and greets planned there. Anyways we're way off topic again. I don't think WDW is perfect by any means I just don't think it's the dump it's made out to be either.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

HM is still superior in WDW, you don't have to go through the queue and those ghosts actually interact with guests instead of sit there like the dated figures they were.

Not only that Florida’s doesn’t have to go through the awful HMH overlay each year.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ah yes, and I can always count on you to come to WDW's defense like a knight in shining armor. No matter how valid the criticism, whether it comes from me or anybody else...



Dude, it has been documented on here how the original plans for 7DMT were bigger and better and how they got scaled back due to budget cuts. Here is a quote from the man himself about the ride a few years back about this topic.



If you think SWSA was a dated ride, then by that logic you must be in favor of gutting Peter Pan's Flight and replacing it with a short kiddie coaster with only 1 advanced show scene. Not everything has to be super high-tech my man.



You are just factually wrong. The loss of trees at the Magic Kingdom Main Street & Hub has been mourned since at least 2009. Look at how Magic Kingdom hub used to look like.

I know you think that I'm just a WDW hater, I'm sure some others do as well. The reality is that I'm a WDW lamentor, saddened at how far it's fallen from grace. At its peak, WDW was a thing of beauty and inspiration, but sadly it is no more.

Since you always want to talk about WDW in the DLR forum (for whatever reason), how about creating a thread in its multiple dedicated sub-forums? @GrandCanyonConcourse Same for you. Take it elsewhere.

 

[Professortango1]

I can always count on you to list why WDW sucks. "Value engineered" yet has some of the best animatronic figures and brought a dated ride into the 21st century. HM is still superior in WDW, you don't have to go through the queue and those ghosts actually interact with guests instead of sit there like the dated figures they were.

What?? DL definitely has the better mansion. No cartoony graveyard with ghosts. The AS A disrupts the revelation of story by putting ghosts before the foyer. Not to mention the fact you don't even enter the house itself. Then there's the cartoon hitchhiking ghost projections. Nope. I do like the library and stairwell scenes, but DLR's is certainly a stronger whole.

Long Forgotten has numerous articles on such.

 

[Professortango1]

Not only that Florida’s doesn’t have to go through the awful HMH overlay each year.

Love HMH. Always draws huge crowds. Wouldn't be Halloween without it.

 

[Little Green Men]

Since you always want to talk about WDW in the DLR forum (for whatever reason), how about creating a thread in its multiple dedicated sub-forums? @GrandCanyonConcourse Same for you. Take it elsewhere.

I apologize, I'm done

 

[Ismael Flores]

It's not that Toad isn't charming and fun, but Pooh has 3D figures and effects while Toad is mostly cardboard cut-outs.

I FInd pooh at Disneyland stale, Toad works because of the close proximity of the sets to the guests while Pooh’s giant beehive moving around inside huge showroom with limited show lacks any charm. To many walls with nothing but painted walls in pooh compared to the compact tight feel of Toad which add some energy and fun in the Wild ride.
CBJ show room so we’re huge and they had a large pit that could have been used for something a bit more grand. It’s too bad the queue is better than the ride