Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland
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dweezil78
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Yep. The aquarium part still exists (and isn't very well maintained IMO), but all the cool stuff like the hydrolators and sea cabs have been replaced with a lame Nemo dark ride that dumps you off where the tanks are.
Phroobar
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The subs act as transportation into Disneyland's Seabase Alpha. The base would have the usual Epcot stuff about fish, marine life and aquarium windows. This would act as the queue for the roller coaster. I call the coaster North Pacific Current (NPC). The coaster would be a suspended coaster similar to Sea World's Manta or MM's Tatsu or maybe like MM's Batman but the track/vehicle would be under water in glass tubes. The train would occasionally break the surface of the water and do some barrel roles before diving back into another tube. The coaster would see live and AA fish and the submarines unloading passengers. It would be super expensive and take up the entire sub lagoon and Autopia. It would be glorious!
mickEblu
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Could you please stay on topic and put this in the "It will Never happen in a Million Years" thread? Haha jk. Cool idea though.
The_Mesh_Hatter
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In the realm of possibilities, if the Autopia station is reconfigured, there's room to expand the Monorail/Submarine Station complex to include a small "Seabase Beta" post show.
Rich T
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But the bottom line is, Iger-era Disney will not build any attraction that is not tied to a popular IP. The days of rides and lands based on historic, original or scientific themes just for their own sake are gone. This is no longer Walt's Disneyland. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the failure of DCA 1.0, (which, though I hated, did contain some solid non-IP attractions) marked the end of an era.
(EDIT) ... for the U.S. parks, at least.
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Pretty much. The overwhelming success of the infusion of IP into the park is proof that the strategy was instrumental in turning the park around.
SSG
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It's hard to blame Disney for giving people what they want, but it's a shame they no longer try to give people what they didn't know they wanted.
mickEblu
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Except they re not really valid test results since the IP infusion/ attractions came simultaneously with the proper budget and execution. They never compared apples to apples. With that said I do think the park was lacking the characters, emotion and what people come to expect from Disney parks. I just don't think it was the main issue. DCA 2.0 isn't better because of Mickeys Fun Wheel (although I find the change to be an improvement aesthetically). It's better because of the likes of Cars Land and TOT.
Yes I'm still calling it TOT.
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nevol
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Sorry I'm on page 1 and my replies are about to everybody off, but they could also do the reversal; having the show building where Fantasyland theater is, and having the entrance in Toontown across from Mickey's house, backed up against the tracks. Or ideally, a backstage area, the storage buildings/maintenance sheds with the faux hills on them. That way fantasyland has room for expansion still and toontown isn't wrecked entirely. But without a new attraction, I am not an advocate for saving toontown.
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True, but I did allude to this when I mentioned EPCOT, a park twice the size of the MK, yet it has never been nearly as popular. If you look at the history of Disney Parks the most popular long-term formula for content, with a few important E ticket classics, has been studio based IP.
DLR92
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Sad but true. I am seeing some people are very excited of the idea of Marvel. Not just from younger people, but older people seem to be very excited to see more of Disney property additions as younger people.
mickEblu
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That could work too. I think a Mickey ride in addition to RRCTS would round out the land nicely. I would imagine that they would fix up whatever is left of Toontown to bring it up to standards of the new ride. For a while I was supporting an FL expansion in Toontown but I don't think it's worth it if that just means... Arendelle. I don't want to see anymore single IP lands in DL. Now if they said a generic FL expansion that includes a BATB and a Frozen attraction I could get behind that. But this could be a situation where we have our cake and eat it too. Mickey ride in Toontown and Frozen / BATB in Autopia/ motorboat cruise.
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I'm excited, but I've also resigned myself to the fact that this is how things work now.
mickEblu
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I'm just excited for new high tech thrill rides. It would prefer just about anything to Marvel.
mickEblu
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Yeah I see what you mean. I've never been to Epcot but from what I have seen and read did they maybe go too much into the EDU and not enough into the ENTERTAINMENT?
With DCA I was saying that execution trumps all. IP or not and that Disney is jumping to conclusions if they think IP alone is what saved DCA. With Epcot, I think the execution was there but maybe it's not sustainable not because it needs IP but because edutainment is not a thing in 2017. Nobody has time or attention span for a 45 minute educational ride.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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No, the failure of Epcot was never its leanings towards edutainment.
The ball was dropped when they decided to never innovate their attractions until decades later. Nothing received an update to keep it fresh. Except in the case of Imagination where the updates made it HORRIBLY WORSE.
Horizons with 2017's technology would be amazing
Journey Into Imagination is the perfect fit for a new trackless attraction
UOE sat stagnant for FAR too long
etc. etc. etc.
Also too, you have to factor in the "dumbing down" of society. People no longer want to go to the parks to have to think. They want to see this or that character, hear this or that song, buy this or that merchandise, and be on their way, posting the whole thing to Instagram.
Sorry, this really isn't the thread for an Epcot rant.
FigmentForver96
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EPCOT Center was super popular and the rides were extremely popular. Attendance peaked in 87, when all the original rides were there and 5 years after opening so it wasn't due to anything being NEW. The park took its first death kneel in the 90s when Eisner felt the park needed to be "hip". Hence rides were given celebrity appearances (Energy) and were replaced with thrills (Motion).
The honest truth is the average guest doesn't know what they truly want. The whole concept of Disneyland started with Walt wanting something nobody else had thought of doing or knew they truly wanted. A place where kids and adults can enjoy something together. You wow a guest and they will ride and pay to show up. Maybe not 45 minutes but if you were to build a truly cutting edge interesting attraction about energy then people would line up and ride. Same goes for the others. IP does not sustain and history has proven that time and time again. Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Matterhorn..no IPs yet are considered the gods of Disney classics.
The sad part about EPCOT today is that it is the festivals that drive that attendance. Epcot was different from everything else , that is why it is was popular. A human achievement never seen before and clearly will never be seen again. It was just as Disney as the rest of the company because Disney was more then Mickey Mouse and princesses. It inspired and did what no thing had ever done before. Today the executives are to clueless and only think what will sell the most merch and what is hot NOW.