mickEblu
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The quality put it over the top but I still have an issue putting it in the same category as Indy, HM, POTC...
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Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland
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The quality put it over the top but I still have an issue putting it in the same category as Indy, HM, POTC...
Disney Irish
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I can agree its shades of gray which is why I said its subjective. Its based on what people perceive as an E-Ticket to them personally.
So I've asked you (albeit in a different way), what is that criteria in which to determine the definitive list of modern E-Tickets?
And I add to it these questions:
Is your criteria different than mine, or anyone else's here? Who determines what "THE" list is? Who determines when one attraction gets demoted to a lower classification? Who determines when one attraction can get promoted (as Disney did back in the day) because of say upgrades? Who says that one persons E-Ticket classification is any more valid than anyone else's?
These questions alone indicate its not objective, but rather subjective. This is because there is no authority over it besides Disney and they don't use the classification anymore.
An E-Ticket thread already exists which documents ticket levels historically...
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A-E TICKET ATTRACTIONS
Hello all, It's been a while since I have been on the forums. But I have a question for anyone, I'm trying to find a list or what I can find about what attractions are under what tickets (A-E)? Also I'm only looking at attractions in the magic kingdom, and all attractions new and old...
mickEblu
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Perhaps you forgot my original post below which sparked this whole discussion. What do you disagree with about this post?
Also I was referring to fans not Disney so not sure why your bringing them up.
To answer your question we all mostly have the same criteria which why we mostly have the same answers as to what are E tickets at DL.
BrianLo
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I personally do not use the ticketing system for my judgement call in quality, it’s an evaluation of scope and scale only to me.
For example, Tokyo’s Hunny Hunt is largely better than what many would consider E-ticket attractions, but to me it’s a D-ticket. It’s a wonderfully gussied up and supremely well done fantasyland style ride, it’s a bit longer than the bus bar rides (mostly C-tickets), but it’s still only four minutes and more of a medium scale. This seems like blasphemy to many, but when the 8 minute long beauty and the beast opens with a similar ride system next door, people will realize the scope and scale is different. Heck people may still even prefer Pooh, but it’s still a D-ticket.
In my brain I then add a +/neutral/- as a partial quality call.
Pooh’s Hunny Hunt is of an illustrious category of D+ tickets. There aren’t many, just like there aren’t many E+ tickets. This allows Pooh to be a leading class example without burdening it to the same standard on other E-tickets.
So you might call Haunted Mansion/POTC an E+ as different leading examples in their class.
So semantic aside, the scope and scale of Smugglers run is still an E-ticket. But for some here the differentiator is whether it’s an E or a small group might say E (minus)... but it’s still an E-ticket for scope and scale.
Roping it back in, Mickeys Runnaway railway is actually bigger than Mystic Manor and has more scenes. I suspect it may run longer than 5 minutes too. It’s easily an E-ticket. That doesn’t mean people may actually like the end product, but it’s a relatively large attraction occupying a large show building.
For example, Tokyo’s Hunny Hunt is largely better than what many would consider E-ticket attractions, but to me it’s a D-ticket. It’s a wonderfully gussied up and supremely well done fantasyland style ride, it’s a bit longer than the bus bar rides (mostly C-tickets), but it’s still only four minutes and more of a medium scale. This seems like blasphemy to many, but when the 8 minute long beauty and the beast opens with a similar ride system next door, people will realize the scope and scale is different. Heck people may still even prefer Pooh, but it’s still a D-ticket.
In my brain I then add a +/neutral/- as a partial quality call.
Pooh’s Hunny Hunt is of an illustrious category of D+ tickets. There aren’t many, just like there aren’t many E+ tickets. This allows Pooh to be a leading class example without burdening it to the same standard on other E-tickets.
So you might call Haunted Mansion/POTC an E+ as different leading examples in their class.
So semantic aside, the scope and scale of Smugglers run is still an E-ticket. But for some here the differentiator is whether it’s an E or a small group might say E (minus)... but it’s still an E-ticket for scope and scale.
Roping it back in, Mickeys Runnaway railway is actually bigger than Mystic Manor and has more scenes. I suspect it may run longer than 5 minutes too. It’s easily an E-ticket. That doesn’t mean people may actually like the end product, but it’s a relatively large attraction occupying a large show building.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
In which I replied:
And you've never answered me. You're the one that said there are consistent qualifications on it, your words. So I ask again what are those qualifications? Your recent "answer" is just another way to say we all agree. But what is that in which we all agree on, which is the standard qualification?
mickEblu
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Disney Irish
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I must have missed that, because in no post do I see it listed.I mentioned a few in another post... scope, scale, ride time, immersion () ...
Ok, so by that small set of qualifications, both MF:SR and MMRR would be E-Tickets plain and simple. You can subjectively say MF:SR doesn't meet x or y based on your own personal take on it, but in reality it does.
Anyways I’m kind of bored with this topic. We’ve gone around enough on it.
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mickEblu
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How does MF:SR meet the scale criteria? The ride experience. Not the Empty warehouse of a queue.
Disney Irish
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It depends on where you define where the ride experience starts. To me it starts when you meet Hondo, not just when you board the ship. In which I say that it’s a larger in scale due to all the extras you get.
SuddenStorm
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It doesn't. The show building is only as big as it is since it's a horribly ineficient ride system that requires tons of space.
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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If I could walk up the Falcon Ramp then and only then would Smuggler's Run be considered an E-Ticket.
lazyboy97o
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Most attractions still get ticket designations. Even non-Disney attractions get them, including Universal attractions.
mharrington
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If we could get this topic back on track from deviating into a debate about what constitutes an E ticket that is really going nowhere...
What I would like to say does not really pertain to Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway per se, but it does relate to Toontown, which I hope gets the TLC it needs. As we all agree, something needs to be done about Donald and Goofy's places. In the case of Goofy's house, I think a copy of Goofy's Paint n Playhouse from Tokyo would be neat:
I don't think it takes up a lot of space (any more than the original Bounce House did), and it would be fun for everyone to do. That said, considering it's a Tokyo original, I'm not sure if the OLC will allow the concept to be replicated outside of the Tokyo resort.
What I would like to say does not really pertain to Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway per se, but it does relate to Toontown, which I hope gets the TLC it needs. As we all agree, something needs to be done about Donald and Goofy's places. In the case of Goofy's house, I think a copy of Goofy's Paint n Playhouse from Tokyo would be neat:
I don't think it takes up a lot of space (any more than the original Bounce House did), and it would be fun for everyone to do. That said, considering it's a Tokyo original, I'm not sure if the OLC will allow the concept to be replicated outside of the Tokyo resort.
mickEblu
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Well responding to my question I asked you which was on topic could have helped. Lol
Phroobar
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It could always be rethemed to Duck Tales. Maybe some kind of Gizmo Duck ride.
mharrington
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Yes, but it probably wouldn't have made a difference anyway. It still would have devolved into a multi-page, back-and-forth debate about what was and was not an E ticket.
Anyway, there was no insider source to back this up. I was just making a guess.
mharrington
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Or maybe it could be themed around Ludwig Von Drake, who is testing out new inventions and needs you, the rider, to be his test subject.
You also never did answer my question about whether Goofy's Paint and Playhouse, being a Tokyo original, would/could be replicated outside the Tokyo resort.
Phroobar
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Ludwig Von Drake is far too old and obscure for any 5-9 year old to know. They would know the characters from Duck Tales. Disney should bring back Rescue Rangers in order to make Gadget relative again.
It's just a light show display with guns similar to what use to be in the Imagination pavilion and Disney Quest. I don't think it's a problem. It's not a ride or a real attraction and the building is exactly the same as the DL one. I think they would do it if TDA thought about it.