Metal detectors fall all?

Yert3

Yert3

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Prog said:
Fair enough, I'm going to stop contributing to the decline towards a circular debate on gun culture and liberty on a message board about theme parks.
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Same. I know my opinion is an unpopular one and the others here have the right to theirs. I apologize to everyone. I get emotional when talking about security and guns.
 
21stamps

21stamps

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Last summer our local amusement park started metal detectors. The first weekend we went they weren't there. 2 weeks later- yep, everyone had to go through them for the remainder of the summer. Then in fall- maybe, maybe not. I was there on a Saturday night and all went thru, then back the next day and bag check only.
I think metal detectors at theme parks and amusement parks are the new norm. The inconsistency of who and when also seems to be normal, for now. I imagine that we will all be required to go thru them 100% of the time at some point.
 
draybook

draybook

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Yert3 said:
So your logic is "metal detectors don't stop everything, so let's just get rid of them?"
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Imagine how many weapons have made their way into the parks over the last 45 years. How many incidents have they caused? I'm not saying that nothing would ever happen, but there have been way more incidents due to intoxication than weapons. If only they screened people before they sell them more alcohol the way they screen them for weapons...
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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draybook said:
Imagine how many weapons have made their way into the parks over the last 45 years. How many incidents have they caused? I'm not saying that nothing would ever happen, but there have been way more incidents due to intoxication than weapons. If only they screened people before they sell them more alcohol the way they screen them for weapons...
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Yea, but, drunks have always been drunks and have all acted pretty much the same no matter how "different" they think they are compared to other drunks. However, for years I wouldn't have been concerned about someone carrying a weapon into a theme park. I don't think that there were near as many "over the years" as you seem to think there were, however, this is a very, very, very different world now then "over the years". People that cannot figure out that a theme park is NOT the place to be packing heat cannot be trusted to make other rational decisions either, in my opinion. Even the wild west had many bars that made they folks check their weapons before entering. If you don't have one on you, it is very difficult to accidentally or intentionally shoot someone.
 
draybook

draybook

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Goofyernmost said:
Yea, but, drunks have always been drunks and have all acted pretty much the same no matter how "different" they think they are compared to other drunks. However, for years I wouldn't have been concerned about someone carrying a weapon into a theme park. I don't think that there were near as many "over the years" as you seem to think there were, however, this is a very, very, very different world now then "over the years". People that cannot figure out that a theme park is NOT the place to be packing heat cannot be trusted to make other rational decisions either, in my opinion. Even the wild west had many bars that made they folks check their weapons before entering. If you don't have one on you, it is very difficult to accidentally or intentionally shoot someone.
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First, it's not "how many I think". I'm simply going by the stories told by former and current members of Disney security or other CMs who had access to that information. And most of those stories talk about how many items were actually confiscated.

While I agree with you about not carrying to a theme park, the Wild West comment is not correct. Many towns were simply gun free and you weren't supposed to carry at all. The whole "Wild West" theory is ridiculous every time I hear someone use it when discussing gun control/open carry and the such.
 
draybook

draybook

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Goofyernmost said:
You know, sometimes it is hard to have a discussion with you because you seem to always want to twist it around to something else. Disney didn't have a security force that actively checked people coming in for contraband of any sort. Many people might have carried guns, but, living in this world for pushing 69 years I also know that the paranoia ratio was much smaller and really didn't establish a strong foot hold until 9/11 when people like Toby Keith stated singing about how we all were going to stick a boot up the terrorists buttocks. There were places were guns were acceptable and also where Ramboism wasn't quite as popular as it is today. Where men didn't seem to have to compensate for lack of manliness by being armed all the time. Disney with families and kids was not then and is not now that place to be carrying a weapon. Any crazy act of self defense or untrained attempts to "save the world" would more then likely end in disaster.

I also take offense at the implication that I am one of the people against gun ownership. With the current administration at the helm I think we all should be heavily armed, just not at a Disney Park. I don't own a gun, but, that is my personal decision and I believe strongly that one of the reasons that we are still free is because of the second amendment. And all those conservatives that imply that they will be there with their weapons should stop sniffing gun powder long enough to realize that there are many liberals that are armed as well. They just aren't as quick to use them, but, will if necessary.

The western scenario was just an example of the FACT that it did happen even during the wild west days, where places that were likely to be "triggers" for gun usage were smart enough to attempt to at least control those areas. I don't think the wild west was Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, Matt Dillon, Paladin and Bat Masterson.
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Being armed isn't about "manliness". And if they didn't have an active security force checking for weapons, that would increase the odds that there were weapons brought in. And before you talk about liberals having more constraint than conservatives, turn on your television and take a gander at who is out there rioting and destroying property and assaulting officers.

Anyways, not trying to make any conversation difficult, but take it how you want to.
 
draybook

draybook

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Goofyernmost said:
Just taking the advice of our orange leader. If you don't like what others do, you just arm yourself and get rid of the problem. Don't go preaching the angelical behavior of conservatives either. What you are starting to witness is the reaction that everyone should have expected. It's the sound of angry men. When was the last time in our history there was this type of reaction to an election. Did you say never, well, certainly not to this degree. Might there not be a reason for this reaction and might it not center on one man. I think so! They are just doing what our president suggested that the conservative side do if he lost the election. But, now of course, its the liberals that are the evil side. Either side reacting that way would not be acceptable, but, lets not make it sound like no one could see this building. This country was formed on violent reaction to wrong doing. Why would anyone think it would change now. Not everyone is a bully, but, they do defend themselves and their way of life.

Remember this is just my opinion, but, this has been building over the last year like a volcano ready to erupt. You can't go around being a jackhat and not expect a reaction. If they are as smart as they all like to say they are... they will find a solution to the problem. And that doesn't mean jailing the opposition, in case that is what they are thinking. If they aren't able, the people will. Tomorrow will see thousands of women out in DC and all over the rest of the country demanding respect for their gender and their importance in our society. They will not go unheard, ignored for now perhaps, but, they will be heard.
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What on Earth are you talking about? Are we watching the same news? I'm watching the one where at least 6 officers have been injured by spoiled little brats who can't handle that the Electoral College did it's job. Anyways, enough politics before we get this thing locked.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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draybook said:
What on Earth are you talking about? Are we watching the same news? I'm watching the one where at least 6 officers have been injured by spoiled little brats who can't handle that the Electoral College did it's job. Anyways, enough politics before we get this thing locked.
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No, and I agree, we should stop this now. I am not familiar with this particular incident, but, a few spoiled brats does not make a whole group of people guilty of anything. I do think that there is a pressure building and that it will erupt at some point, but, that depends on what happens over the next little while. Nothing at this point has solidly been done that would cause that reaction other then a small group of troubled people and do we even have the exact details. I didnt see much mention of it from other sources other then TV. I guess it will all come out eventually.

I am going to delete my previous two posts because it is way to political to have been put in here.
 
draybook

draybook

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Goofyernmost said:
No, and I agree, we should stop this now. I am not familiar with this particular incident, but, a few spoiled brats does not make a whole group of people guilty of anything. I do think that there is a pressure building and that it will erupt as some point, but, that depends on what happens over the next little while. Nothing at this point has solidly been done that would cause that reaction other then a small group of troubled people and do we even have the exact details. I didnt see much mention of it from other sources other then TV. I guess it will all come out eventually.

I am going to delete my previous two posts because it is way to political to have been put in here.
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We'll always have Disney World... :D
 
wdwjmp239

wdwjmp239

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I am interested in hearing constructive thoughts and opinions about why the security guards at bag check across Disney World allow children to circumvent the metal detectors? The last I know about why metal detectors are in place is to make sure that there's nothing that should be on a person that shouldn't be there. I mean, you walk through, if it beeps, they tell you to empty your pockets and if you're good....you can go through.

Some friends of mine and I had this conversation as to why they let kids through, but not adults. My response was "Disney has trust issues with adults and not kids" as a joke, but we also spun the conversation around to where we played devil's advocate by asking, "What would it take for a "family" (notice "family" is in quotes) who has ill intentions to plant something on a kid knowing they can walk around the metal detector to carry out a terrorist-type attack?" The conversation went quiet rather quickly and it kind of bothered us. I know they don't let kids go around the metal detectors at the airports....everybody goes through, so what makes Disney different? It makes you think about why Disney spent all this time and money to bolster security and they're letting children through? I know with my kids...they insist on walking through the detectors because they see mommy and daddy do it.
 
awoogala

awoogala

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Yert3 said:
Then security needs to be increased. Why not send our bags through an X-ray machine like at Disneyland Paris?
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Great Adventure in NJ has metal detectors, and a bag scan. it was actually MUCH faster than the "bag checks" at Disney, where every pocket has to be unzipped, and people think they can have stuff on their strollers...
 

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