Merchandise Shortage

The Mom

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Resellers are a growing problem, too, as seen on Amazon's and Walmart's marketplaces...the more people that get in between the manufacturer and the consumer, the higher the price gets. This is why when shopping at either, I always make sure to check the country of origin as well as try to ensure I'm purchasing as close to the manufacturer as possible - usually from the brand itself.
I remember my pre-adult days when going to a factory outlet meant exactly that. The products were made there. Living in New England, I had access to lots of clothing and other manufacturers. But then most moved South for cheaper labor and costs. And then overseas.
 

John park hopper

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Off subject a little

SC at one time had textile mills by the 70's they were all moved overseas or closed down just one of many US industries gone. In my town here we had a blue crab company. Local crabers would catch the crabs sell them to Carolonia Crab Company. Company would cook and they employed locals to pick the meat and then can it. Foreign imports put them out of business. Property sold now about 8 homes overlooking the bay --$ million +++++ to buy.---sad
 

flynnibus

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Oh, so it's work as directed, follow instructions unquestioningly, don't make trouble, accept whatever compensation is given to you gratefully or you will be sent to a reeducation camp, or simply disappear. Fantastic infrastructure.

yes nothing you said… you are opposite of nailing it
 

TP2000

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Please try to keep the overt political statements out of this. And for those who are questioning "What does this have to do with WDW?" a large % of merchandise is shipped from Asia, so the Pacific route to CA ports is less expensive. WDW could have merchandise shipped to Eastern ports right in FL - but it would cost substantially more.

Exactly. Almost all of Chinese made cargo, headed on to Chicago or Boston or Orlando, comes through the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Obviously, European-made cargo is not shipped across the Pacific, nor is stuff made in Brazil.

The vast majority of WDW merchandise is made in China now, and thus must come through the Southern California port and rail system.

Also, most of the Southeast ports near WDW are a small fraction of the size of the SoCal ports and don't have the capacity to start handling lots of extra ships (setting aside the logistics/cost of getting through the Panama Canal from China). Those Southeast ports are busy handling European-made cargo mostly.

2020 Port and 40 foot Cargo Containers Handled - Ranked by Volume

1. Port of LA/LB = 9.30 Million Containers
2. Port of Newark = 4.59 Million Containers
3. Port of Savannah = 2.43 Million Containers
4. Port of Houston = 1.95 Million Containers
5. Port of Seattle = 1.43 Million Containers


There are 25 other ports around the country, but they get much smaller very quickly. Here's the two ports closest to WDW and their volume in 2020. Remember that the megaports above were dealing in Millions of containers.

17. Port of Jacksonville = 236,000 Containers
24. Port of Tampa = 76,000 Containers

This is growing into a long-term problem for the entire nation.
Unless WDW wants to start sourcing it's t-shirts and coffee mugs and stuffed animals out of Germany and France, that merchandise is going to be made in China and thus must come through the massive Southern California port and rail system.
 

JoeCamel

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Exactly. Almost all of Chinese made cargo, headed on to Chicago or Boston or Orlando, comes through the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Obviously, European-made cargo is not shipped across the Pacific, nor is stuff made in Brazil.

The vast majority of WDW merchandise is made in China now, and thus must come through the Southern California port and rail system.

Also, most of the Southeast ports near WDW are a small fraction of the size of the SoCal ports and don't have the capacity to start handling lots of extra ships (setting aside the logistics/cost of getting through the Panama Canal from China). Those Southeast ports are busy handling European-made cargo mostly.

2020 Port and 40 foot Cargo Containers Handled - Ranked by Volume

1. Port of LA/LB = 9.30 Million Containers
2. Port of Newark = 4.59 Million Containers
3. Port of Savannah = 2.43 Million Containers
4. Port of Houston = 1.95 Million Containers
5. Port of Seattle = 1.43 Million Containers


There are 25 other ports around the country, but they get much smaller very quickly. Here's the two ports closest to WDW and their volume in 2020. Remember that the megaports above were dealing in Millions of containers.

17. Port of Jacksonville = 236,000 Containers
24. Port of Tampa = 76,000 Containers

This is growing into a long-term problem for the entire nation.
Unless WDW wants to start sourcing it's t-shirts and coffee mugs and stuffed animals out of Germany and France, that merchandise is going to be made in China and thus must come through the massive Southern California port and rail system.
Some of that depends on what the port is usually handling, Tampa has a lot of bulk cargo and few containers due to the transit time of Tampa Bay and the height/depth limitation of the Sunshine Skyway. It could be reconfigured for more containers, it has the cranes and yards to offload but for now piles of sulfur and coal along with ammonia. The gasoline/fuel distribution is there as well so more bulk. Port Manatee down the bay closer to the entrance is bananas and cement but has two jetty cranes that could do containers. Lots of possibilities to get cargo where it needs to go but the entire system has so many parts it is hard to pivot in a year or even two.
 

TP2000

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For those unfamiliar with SoCal geography, here's a photo of the joint Port of Los Angeles and Port of Long Beach.

They sit side by side and share infrastructure and rail access to the Alameda Corridor. But in a bit of civic chauvinism, Long Beach insists that half of the port be named after itself. Sort of a Dallas vs. Fort Worth sort of thing, or a riff on the Anaheim Angels of Los Angeles naming convention. 🤣

As a point of reference for scale, I have circled in red the small corner that is used as a Passenger Cruise Ship terminal. You can see the giant Queen Mary sitting at its berth as a tourist attraction, and another large megaship berthed next to it (probably a Carnival or Princess ship).

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The combined Port complex has 43 miles of waterfront, 116 miles of railroad track, and 82 towering ship-to-rail cargo cranes. It is the largest port by capacity in the Western Hemisphere. And the United States could not function without it.

Which is why I find it so odd that absolutely no one has talked about the National Guard to help its operation and/or help secure the massive railroad-owned rail yards that sit 20 miles north of it.
 
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Ayla

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While I feel empathy for those who feel hopeless and trapped in poverty, it's no excuse for committing crimes. Those who commit crimes should be held accountable. HOWEVER, that is also a situation that could be fixed, if we had the will to address it.

There were bulk orders of COVID tests shown in footage of the wreckage (would have been nice if I could have gotten my hands on more than one a few weeks ago). This is far more than just Amazon packages, and includes parts/merchandise that manufacturers and retailers are waiting for.
None of which are worth killing someone over.
 

GimpYancIent

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For those unfamiliar with SoCal geography, here's a photo of the joint Port of Los Angeles and Port of Long Beach.

They sit side by side and share infrastructure and rail access to the Alameda Corridor. But in a bit of civic chauvinism, Long Beach insists that half of the port be named after itself. Sort of a Dallas vs. Fort Worth sort of thing, or a riff on the Anaheim Angels of Los Angeles naming convention. 🤣

Dividing_Line_of_Ports.png


The combined Port complex has 43 miles of waterfront, 116 miles of railroad track, and 82 towering ship-to-rail cargo cranes. It is the largest port by capacity in the Western Hemisphere. And the United States could not function without it.

Which is why I find it so odd that absolutely no one has talked about the National Guard to help its operation and/or help secure the massive railroad-owned rail yards that sit 20 miles north of it.
Good point. However, each port though basically cojoined are run by each of the Cities and the Harbor Commissions of each City. If the two cities and commissions squabble over everything as they have, I can see why the thought process has not progressed past the local level.
 

TP2000

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Good point. However, each port though basically cojoined are run by each of the Cities and the Harbor Commissions of each City. If the two cities and commissions squabble over everything as they have, I can see why the thought process has not progressed past the local level.

True. I have a friend that lives in Belmont Shore who is an active political donor. The stories he tells of the petty fights and squabbles the City of Long Beach gets in with the City of Los Angeles and County of Los Angeles are legendary.
 

GimpYancIent

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None of which are worth killing someone over.
No, killing someone over a theft not justified. The U.S. and the western countries deal with theft in slightly different ways but very civilized. There are some countries however that are not quite so civilized when dealing with thieves, though the convicted thieves are not killed a hand is simply lopped off and the thief let go. Don't need to incarcerate thieves there.
 

TP2000

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I'm sure it's not just Amazon packages there are probably replacement parts (parts I'v been waiting 4 months for) and merchandise store owners are waiting on so they can make a living.

Exactly. I made a joke about the fancy electronic barbecue fork I ordered on Amazon for Christmas, which then mysteriously went missing and was eventually cancelled as its tracking number showed its dispatch out of LA. 🤔

But these aren't just silly Christmas gifts getting stolen by the gangs Organized Groups Of People here.

These are also orders of industrial supplies and technical supplies coming from Asia and headed to small businesses all over the nation. High tech stuff from Japan, parts from Vietnam or Malaysia, etc. Supplies and equipment needed to keep a small business going, or to help it grow and expand or fill more orders to become a mid-sized business.

The Organized Groups Of People aren't taking the time to sift through each box. The merchandise literally gets thrown off the trains by the strongest guys, then the trackside Organized People slash the boxes open as quickly as possible and take whatever looks good. They leave the rest to sit in the rain, get run over by the next train, or get picked over in the morning by the amateurs.

That anyone could even hint at defending this organized criminal mayhem is mind boggling. o_O
 

TP2000

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Some of that depends on what the port is usually handling, Tampa has a lot of bulk cargo and few containers due to the transit time of Tampa Bay and the height/depth limitation of the Sunshine Skyway. It could be reconfigured for more containers, it has the cranes and yards to offload but for now piles of sulfur and coal along with ammonia. The gasoline/fuel distribution is there as well so more bulk. Port Manatee down the bay closer to the entrance is bananas and cement but has two jetty cranes that could do containers. Lots of possibilities to get cargo where it needs to go but the entire system has so many parts it is hard to pivot in a year or even two.

Just for fun, I Googled a bit.

Here's a recent photo of the CSX Railroad spurlines heading out of the complex for the Port of Tampa.

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And here's a recent photo of the Union Pacific spurlines heading out of the Los Angeles Intermodal Terminal.

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Everybody sing!... One of these things, is not like the other! One of these things, just doesn't belong! 😚
 

John park hopper

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No, killing someone over a theft not justified. The U.S. and the western countries deal with theft in slightly different ways but very civilized. There are some countries however that are not quite so civilized when dealing with thieves, though the convicted thieves are not killed a hand is simply lopped off and the thief let go. Don't need to incarcerate thieves there.
This not theft of a pack of gum-- we are talking millions of dollars worth of goods stolen or deliberately destroyed. This is effecting our economy, railway safety, possible environmental concerns and peoples businesses. So how do you propose to put a stop to this in a civilized way. Arrest them they'd be out on bail before the ink dried back doing it again.
 

JoeCamel

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Just for fun, I Googled a bit.

Here's a recent photo of the CSX Railroad spurlines heading out of the complex for the Port of Tampa.

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And here's a recent photo of the Union Pacific spurlines heading out of the Los Angeles Intermodal Terminal.

train-packages-06.jpg


Everybody sing!... One of these things, is not like the other! One of these things, just doesn't belong! 😚
It's way too hot in Florida to be out looting trains, cali weather can't be beat
 

flutas

Well-Known Member
for those who are questioning "What does this have to do with WDW?" a large % of merchandise is shipped from Asia, so the Pacific route to CA ports is less expensive. WDW could have merchandise shipped to Eastern ports right in FL - but it would cost substantially more.

Exactly. Almost all of Chinese made cargo, headed on to Chicago or Boston or Orlando, comes through the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Obviously, European-made cargo is not shipped across the Pacific, nor is stuff made in Brazil.

The vast majority of WDW merchandise is made in China now, and thus must come through the Southern California port and rail system.

Also, most of the Southeast ports near WDW are a small fraction of the size of the SoCal ports and don't have the capacity to start handling lots of extra ships (setting aside the logistics/cost of getting through the Panama Canal from China). Those Southeast ports are busy handling European-made cargo mostly.

2020 Port and 40 foot Cargo Containers Handled - Ranked by Volume

1. Port of LA/LB = 9.30 Million Containers
2. Port of Newark = 4.59 Million Containers
3. Port of Savannah = 2.43 Million Containers
4. Port of Houston = 1.95 Million Containers
5. Port of Seattle = 1.43 Million Containers


There are 25 other ports around the country, but they get much smaller very quickly. Here's the two ports closest to WDW and their volume in 2020. Remember that the megaports above were dealing in Millions of containers.

17. Port of Jacksonville = 236,000 Containers
24. Port of Tampa = 76,000 Containers

This is growing into a long-term problem for the entire nation.
Unless WDW wants to start sourcing it's t-shirts and coffee mugs and stuffed animals out of Germany and France, that merchandise is going to be made in China and thus must come through the massive Southern California port and rail system.

Fun facts: Disney actually ships pretty much equally to Long Beach, CA and Jacksonville, FL already. Most likely to balance shipping costs across the country.

Numbers are from early 2015 to Dec 2021.

Long Beach = 3,812 Shipments
Jacksonville = 3,387 Shipments

The third-biggest port they use is Savannah, GA (711 shipments).

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So I'll say it again, these issues aren't likely to affect Disney much.

The effects are most likely already known though, and have been observed. WDW has been releasing merch a few weeks earlier than DLR lately.

If they were actually being hurt by it, they could go the WDI route and just throw money at the problem and overbid for shipping (or go air).

This merch shortage (imo) is from probably burning a lot of suppliers in 2020 and bad sales forecasting.

As an example, this is their current top supplier by shipment number.

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Number of shipments in from them to Disney in 2021: 20
Number of shipments in from them to Disney in 2020: 214
Number of shipments in from them to Disney in 2019: 701
 
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GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
This not theft of a pack of gum-- we are talking millions of dollars worth of goods stolen or deliberately destroyed. This is effecting our economy, railway safety, possible environmental concerns and peoples businesses. So how do you propose to put a stop to this in a civilized way. Arrest them they'd be out on bail before the ink dried back doing it again.
If the law enforcement and prosecutorial jurisdiction are local or state could the jurisdiction for those responsibilities be taken over by the federal system. The it will not be police or sheriffs or troopers but U.S. Marshals / FBI etc. performing the law enforcement duties with federal prosecutors and federal courts plus jails to handle the apprehended criminals. A different situation than now. Since the rail system does cross state lines and is a critical national supply system (interstate and international commerce) why not? One consistent national set of laws, rules and regulations and no local nuances law breakers can take advantage of.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
Fun facts: Disney actually ships pretty much equally to Long Beach, CA and Jacksonville, FL already. Most likely to balance shipping costs across the country.

Numbers are from early 2015 to Dec 2021.

Long Beach = 3,812 Shipments
Jacksonville = 3,387 Shipments

The third-biggest port they use is Savannah, GA (711 shipments).

View attachment 615952

So I'll say it again, these issues aren't likely to affect Disney much.

The effects are most likely already known though, and have been observed. WDW has been releasing merch a few weeks earlier than DLR lately.

If they were actually being hurt by it, they could go the WDI route and just throw money at the problem and overbid for shipping (or go air).

This merch shortage (imo) is from probably burning a lot of suppliers in 2020 and bad sales forecasting.

As an example, this is their current top supplier by shipment number.

View attachment 615955

Number of shipments in from them to Disney in 2021: 20
Number of shipments in from them to Disney in 2020: 214
Number of shipments in from them to Disney in 2019: 701
Now we know why they are refurbing Walt's plane - going to do their own shipping......
 

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