Merchandise Shortage

[GimpYancIent]

If folks want to go medieval on securing a particular section of track just have a pack of trained Rottweiler's (under the control of skilled handlers of course) patrol that specific area continuously. The Rottweiler is a large, strong, smart and no-nonsense dog these low life's will not want to encounter because the dogs will always win. Oh, by the way can't outrun the dog.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Any posters particularly knowledgeable about Disney logistics. Due to the geographic location of the Disney properties couldn't Disney have merchandise / material shipped direct from port to property via truck and not involve rail?

 

[kingdead]

Does it make a difference to the stockyard or Union Pacific if the trains are robbed? If they're getting paid by the car it doesn't matter whether they're carrying goods or trash. (I genuinely don't know, just thinking why they might not have much incentive to protect the goods). Anyway the guards would have to be willing to tangle with well armed gangs and may not want to do so over Amazon packages, at least not at guard salaries. You'd need people who are into that sort of thing, and those people cost money/are more likely to shoot for fun, which could lead to bad publicity (I doubt that many people really care about the fate of whoever's busting into the cars, but there's obviously a bunch of people who come up behind as trash pickers and might be "target practice" to this type, horrifying a good slice of the rest of LA).

 

[John park hopper]

Does it make a difference to the stockyard or Union Pacific if the trains are robbed? If they're getting paid by the car it doesn't matter whether they're carrying goods or trash. (I genuinely don't know, just thinking why they might not have much incentive to protect the goods). Anyway the guards would have to be willing to tangle with well armed gangs and may not want to do so over Amazon packages, at least not at guard salaries. You'd need people who are into that sort of thing, and those people cost money/are more likely to shoot for fun, which could lead to bad publicity (I doubt that many people really care about the fate of whoever's busting into the cars, but there's obviously a bunch of people who come up behind as trash pickers and might be "target practice" to this type, horrifying a good slice of the rest of LA).

I'm sure it's not just Amazon packages there are probably replacement parts (parts I'v been waiting 4 months for) and merchandize store owners are waiting on so they can make a living

 

[GimpYancIent]

Does it make a difference to the stockyard or Union Pacific if the trains are robbed? If they're getting paid by the car it doesn't matter whether they're carrying goods or trash. (I genuinely don't know, just thinking why they might not have much incentive to protect the goods). Anyway the guards would have to be willing to tangle with well armed gangs and may not want to do so over Amazon packages, at least not at guard salaries. You'd need people who are into that sort of thing, and those people cost money/are more likely to shoot for fun, which could lead to bad publicity (I doubt that many people really care about the fate of whoever's busting into the cars, but there's obviously a bunch of people who come up behind as trash pickers and might be "target practice" to this type, horrifying a good slice of the rest of LA).

So, it's OK for the "well armed gangs" to roam about and shoot for fun? Professionals do not shoot for fun and the gangs need to be confronted to be stopped.

 

[Lilofan]

So, it's OK for the "well armed gangs" to roam about and shoot for fun? Professionals do not shoot for fun and the gangs need to be confronted to be stopped.

These thieves are not from gangs as the media portrayed them to be. They are part of a group of organized thieves who planned the work and worked their plan.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

These thieves are not from gangs as the media portrayed them to be. They are part of a group of organized thieves who planned the work and worked their plan.

Ummm...that's a gang. Gangs don't have to have a name or turf wars.

 

[Lilofan]

Ummm...that's a gang. Gangs don't have to have a name or turf wars.

Thanks, I equated gangs as guys and gals going through an initiation process not for the weak etc.

 

[GimpYancIent]

These thieves are not from gangs as the media portrayed them to be. They are part of a group of organized thieves who planned the work and worked their plan.

Ahhhhhh I see. "Organized thieves". In common jargon guess what it comes out GANG. They need to be identified, hunted down, taken off the streets, processed through the judicial system and allowed to enjoy the hospitality of the jail system for a brief period of time.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Thanks, I equated gangs as guys and gals going through an initiation process not for the weak etc.

Those are just the gangs that get the most attention. There are definitely more loosely organized gangs that prefer to stay under the radar.

 

[John park hopper]

Ahhhhhh I see. "Organized thieves". In common jargon guess what it comes out GANG. They need to be identified, hunted down, taken off the streets, processed through the judicial system and allowed to enjoy the hospitality of the jail system for a brief period of time.

Long period of hard labor

 

[ImperfectPixie]

You are so hurtful they are not well armed gangs but a group of people (disadvantaged) per govNewsom

If we're going to be honest, there's four main kinds of criminal, IMO. 1) The kind who would throw their own mother under a bus if they would profit from it; 2) the kind who do it for the thrill; 3) people who turn to crime because they feel trapped and as if there's no other way to get ahead; and 4) those indoctrinated into the "lifestyle" by friends/family.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Are you sure they're not just selling off the dated banners and graphics so they don't have to store them someplace or push them out to an outlet?

They don’t usually do that in a guest facing area, usually gets sent to property control or flea markets

 

[John park hopper]

If we're going to be honest, there's four main kinds of criminal, IMO. 1) The kind who would throw their own mother under a bus if they would profit from it; 2) the kind who do it for the thrill; 3) people who turn to crime because they feel trapped and as if there's no other way to get ahead; and 4) those indoctrinated into the "lifestyle" by friends/family.

Regardless of how you classify them or the root cause they are criminals and adversely affect those of us who are not and follow the laws. I have little or no sympathy

 

[flynnibus]

But, I'll bite... What's your solution to this problem?

Insurance to stop paying…
So the private company is motivated to police what it already is supposed to do…
And we have the moral fortitude to allow them without crippling them with ‘protect the criminal’ attitudes

this type of crime flurrishes in environments where people fear no consequence. It’s why random people have become porch pirates on a whim - they can’t resist the temptation.

Policing policies have become driven by the capacities of the judicial and penal systems.

the national guard would be nothing but bodies with radios. That’s stuff the railroad should be responsible for themselves.

 

[JoeCamel]

If we're going to be honest, there's four main kinds of criminal, IMO. 1) The kind who would throw their own mother under a bus if they would profit from it; 2) the kind who do it for the thrill; 3) people who turn to crime because they feel trapped and as if there's no other way to get ahead; and 4) those indoctrinated into the "lifestyle" by friends/family.

One more, the one that just does not care what pain they inflict on others just for the kick of being cruel. Whole programs set up trying to spark some empathy in those people but they are very dangerous and need to be separated from society.

 

[JoeCamel]

Insurance to stop paying…
So the private company is motivated to police what it already is supposed to do…
And we have the moral fortitude to allow them without crippling them with ‘protect the criminal’ attitudes

this type of crime flurrishes in environments where people fear no consequence. It’s why random people have become porch pirates on a whim - they can’t resist the temptation.

Policing policies have become driven by the capacities of the judicial and penal systems.

the national guard would be nothing but bodies with radios. That’s stuff the railroad should be responsible for themselves.

Insurance companies to police their customers?
I already feel they are way too far up in my medical business, all I want them to do is pay the bills.
They are only motivated by their own profit and that profit is obscene

 

[flynnibus]

Opportunity + lack of consequence —> this kind of blatant participation in property crime

why do kids risk breaking into cars for $2 in change?
Why do people steal a package from a stranger?

because they can with little to no fear of consequence

obviously the type of operation hitting the trains are far more involved criminals than teenagers stealing change…. But all those people out on the tracks? Opportunity

 

[flynnibus]

Insurance companies to police their customers?
I already feel they are way too far up in my medical business, all I want them to do is pay the bills.
They are only motivated by their own profit and that profit is obscene

Insurance buffers the liability of the railroad. If the insurance company tells them ‘we can’t cover you anymore until you do…’ then the railline will face more customer consequence

the policing needs to be done by the railroad

 

[FeelsSoGoodToBeBad]

Insurance buffers the liability of the railroad. If the insurance company tells them ‘we can’t cover you anymore until you do…’ then the railline will face more customer consequence

I agree. It seems like there would be a breaking point for these insurance companies. Don't people get dropped from homeowners insurance companies sometimes after hurricanes or tornados, which the homeowner has no influence or control over, aside from moving to a place that hopefully won't experience either? (Which is a cruddy practice.)

If insurance is regularly paying out for goods moved through specific areas, you'd think they'd eventually tell the RR companies they'll no longer provide coverage, unless the RR themselves does something to mitigate the risk on their own.