Marvel Studios Developing Asian Superhero Film ‘Shang-Chi’

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This one hits right at the “ouch button”

The MCU keeps copying the Star Wars prequels

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania doesn’t break the Marvel mold, and that means its last act feels a whole lot like a Star Wars prequel, but at least this time it’s a different Episode.

www.polygon.com

 

[Disney Irish]

After ‘Ant-Man 3’s’ Second Weekend Box Office Collapse, Should Marvel Get Concerned?

"Ant-Man 3" suffered the biggest drop in MCU history. Is it a blip, or actually cause for concern?

variety.com

And this from Disney mouthpiece:

Box Office: Marvel’s ‘Ant-Man 3’ Gets Mauled by ‘Cocaine Bear,’ Suffers Record 69.7 Percent Drop

'Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania' may have won the weekend with $32.2 million but got badly dinged by 'Cocaine Bear,' which opened to a much better-than-expected $23.1 million for Universal. The faith-based 'Jesus Revolution' also delivered strong numbers.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

This one hits right at the “ouch button”

The MCU keeps copying the Star Wars prequels

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania doesn’t break the Marvel mold, and that means its last act feels a whole lot like a Star Wars prequel, but at least this time it’s a different Episode.

www.polygon.com

You should put these in the Ant-Man 3 thread instead of this one.

Ant-Man 3 Confirmed - Peyton Reed to Direct!

Expected for a 2022 release. Wonder if they could use this a vehicle to introduce F4? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ant-man-3-peyton-reed-returning-direct-1251732

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You should put these in the Ant-Man 3 thread instead of this one.

Ant-Man 3 Confirmed - Peyton Reed to Direct!

Expected for a 2022 release. Wonder if they could use this a vehicle to introduce F4? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ant-man-3-peyton-reed-returning-direct-1251732

forums.wdwmagic.com

But it’s a nice continuation of the decline in the last 3 MCU gates

 

[Jedijax719]

This one hits right at the “ouch button”

The MCU keeps copying the Star Wars prequels

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania doesn’t break the Marvel mold, and that means its last act feels a whole lot like a Star Wars prequel, but at least this time it’s a different Episode.

www.polygon.com

They are merely talking about a common theme used in many movies. In Return of the King, Gondor is outnumbered by orcs. Then King Theodin shows up with his army and get an edge on the baddies. But then, more evil forces show up in the form of men with their elephants. Then, finally, Aragorn shows up with the army of dead and defeat the bad guys. I don't see any one complaining about anyone ripping off anyone there.

Formulaic maybe. But ripping off? Not really. This is systematic for a final battle.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They are merely talking about a common theme used in many movies. In Return of the King, Gondor is outnumbered by orcs. Then King Theodin shows up with his army and get an edge on the baddies. But then, more evil forces show up in the form of men with their elephants. Then, finally, Aragorn shows up with the army of dead and defeat the bad guys. I don't see any one complaining about anyone ripping off anyone there.

Formulaic maybe. But ripping off? Not really. This is systematic for a final battle.

Goes a little deeper than that

They’re referring to a 24 year old debate about Hollywood not learning that “big” doesn’t make it “good”

And pointing out that Star Wars is basically the most contradictory mismanaged franchise in the history of the planet…quite ironically

That’s just an added bonus

 

[MisterPenguin]

Standalone means you don't need to watch Thor to understand captain America. The movie can stand on its own. Of course they all have a larger connection.

Same for phase 4.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Same for phase 4.

D+ complicates that…with extra layers of tie ins

The last doctor strange movie makes ZERO Sense without the weird Wanda show

 

[erasure fan1]

Phase 1 wasn't as well connected as you make it seem 15 years later that is all I'm saying. There were glaring plot holes that still stand today from Phase 1 even after the Infinity Saga is over.

Saying they had breadcrumbs isn't making it seem like it was super well connected. But phase 1 is beyond light-years better than 4. After 3 phases and 20+ movies, you should be a whole lot better than when you started. I'm a huge MCU fan as well, opening weekend for just about every release.

 

[erasure fan1]

Same for phase 4.

Except mediocre and no consistent threw line

 

[Jedijax719]

Goes a little deeper than that

They’re referring to a 24 year old debate about Hollywood not learning that “big” doesn’t make it “good”

And pointing out that Star Wars is basically the most contradictory mismanaged franchise in the history of the planet…quite ironically

That’s just an added bonus

No, the author is just trying to throw shade at the MCU just for the sake of it. Movies "copy" or are inspired by, or whatever, from other movies all the time. This is not new. And, no, when the prequels (which the author is referring to) came out, SW was not mismanaged.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is somebody trying to make every thread about SW again?

 

[Disney Irish]

Saying they had breadcrumbs isn't making it seem like it was super well connected. But phase 1 is beyond light-years better than 4. After 3 phases and 20+ movies, you should be a whole lot better than when you started. I'm a huge MCU fan as well, opening weekend for just about every release.

Hindsight is always 20/20 my friend.

As for being "better", I personally wouldn't assume that a new Phase 1 for a new saga is going to be any better than the original Phase 1 just because its called Phase 4. And there is the difference, Phase 4 IS Phase 1 again for me. Its like a new book series with a fresh start, sure it builds off the old book series but it shouldn't be expected to follow the same setups. Its the reason why Feige originally wanted to do away with the "Phases", as he knew fans were just going to expect the same things to happen as in the previous Phases, and here we are that is exactly what is happening.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is somebody trying to make every thread about SW again?

Apparently a reporter from polygon made it…the bast@rd…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, the author is just trying to throw shade at the MCU just for the sake of it. Movies "copy" or are inspired by, or whatever, from other movies all the time. This is not new. And, no, when the prequels (which the author is referring to) came out, SW was not mismanaged.

Opinions vary…

…and Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt

 

[erasure fan1]

And there is the difference, Phase 4 IS Phase 1 again for me. Its like a new book series with a fresh start, sure it builds off the old book series but it shouldn't be expected to follow the same setups.

That's great, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's not about hindsight being 20/20 for me. I watch phase 1 all the time and I can say it was hands down, far and away better than phase 4 for me. I'm not saying phase 4 was some sort of complete poop show. There was things I loved, spiderman, things I didn't really care for, eternals, ms marvel, she hulk. And a lot of so so. Thor and Strange just fell short, and that was a big disappointment.

 

[Disney Irish]

That's great, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's not about hindsight being 20/20 for me. I watch phase 1 all the time and I can say it was hands down, far and away better than phase 4 for me. I'm not saying phase 4 was some sort of complete poop show. There was things I loved, spiderman, things I didn't really care for, eternals, ms marvel, she hulk. And a lot of so so. Thor and Strange just fell short, and that was a big disappointment.

Everyone is going to get something different out of the MCU, some maybe even nothing at all. I just think that some may have their expectations set incorrectly for what Phase 4 was suppose to be. And some of your comments make me think you might fall into that group, just my opinion.

Overall if you didn't enjoy it, then you didn't enjoy it. Hopefully with Phase 5 and 6 things will become more enjoyable for you and bring Phase 4 into a new light for you.

 

[erasure fan1]

I just think that some may have their expectations set incorrectly for what Phase 4 was suppose to be. And some of your comments make me think you might fall into that group, just my opinion.

You're right, my expectations were very high for phase 4. Am I wrong because I expected the quality to be as good as the early phases? That's debatable. I don't think think I am. I'm really hoping guardians is the point this thing gets back to form.

 

[Disney Irish]

You're right, my expectations were very high for phase 4. Am I wrong because I expected the quality to be as good as the early phases? That's debatable. I don't think think I am. I'm really hoping guardians is the point this thing gets back to form.

Quality is subjective, and I'm not debating quality. However not going to go back round again on the "lack of connected story" issue you have with Phase 4, that is where I think your expectations were set too high.

So like I said hopefully Phase 5 and 6 will be more enjoyable for you and bring Phase 4 into a new light.

 

[Phicinfan]

You're right, my expectations were very high for phase 4. Am I wrong because I expected the quality to be as good as the early phases? That's debatable. I don't think think I am. I'm really hoping guardians is the point this thing gets back to form.

No. Then again you have to have perspective. Phase 1 was once again bringing Superhero movies back to the forefront. Other than Superman, Batman and Spiderman. Iron man was a great movie, and to your point all the early Phase 1 movies were well done.

Now we move to Phase 4 which first has the fact it has to follow Endgame and the whole tale, add to that the filming and resource issues due to Covid, and the fact Marvel and MCU was pushing the boundaries to include and introduce less mainstream characters. I guess while I wanted to be like you and expect the bar to continue to be raised.... I figured some fatigue here.

I for one have love most of the Disney+ series, Loke, Wanda Vision, Moon Knight and Hawkeye were solid to me. Not a fan of She-hulk, but do agree it was pretty inline with the comics.

This is why MCU simply HAS to hit it out of the ball park with FF and Xmen. Or this franchise as a whole will sink very, very fast as the novelty is starting to really wane IMO.

 

[Jedijax719]

I'm having a hard time figuring out what this discussion/debate is even about.