I think the big difference is quality. Guardians was a big creative risk. A talking tree and raccoon could have been a monumental failure. The difference is she hulk, the eternals, ms marvel.... Are no way near the quality of guardians. Phase 4 can be described in one word. Mediocre. I've said before, there isn't superhero fatigue or star wars fatigue... But there is mediocre media fatigue. I can't say it enough, focus on a good story, stay true to the source material, and more often than not you'll win.
Most MCU films never did over $1B, out of 31 films so far only 10 did over $1B. That is a little less than a 1/3 of the films. It just so happened that most of those were the lead-in to Endgame, so they were "must see". This got media and public expectations skewed to expect that all MCU films moving forward MUST meet the $1B threshold or it was a failure.
I'd say budgets play a roll as well. The first antman made around 130mil in profit and part 2 about 140mil if you use the 3 times production budget estimate. That means part 3 would need to hit around 750mil to be as successful as the previous. Obviously that's from a financial standpoint. You don't want your movies to go backwards.
Well yeah most didn't however the tail end of Phase 3 I think skewed expectations since we saw a constant stream of Marvel movies hit the billion dollar mark. It wasn't sustainable. Now we're back to more realistic grosses.
I would agree to a point. The public prior to franchises like the MCU didn't care about the "budgets" of films. Its only because the media got skewed expectations and started reporting on it that got the public thinking every film must make over $1B and $100s of Millions in profit to be successful.
It sounds like you’re treating each film as though it was a standalone effort. But they work together. Endgame made eleventy-bajillion dollars. But it wasn’t simply because it was an amazing film (though it was, in my opinion). It was also the culmination of several films that worked up to it.
They do work together, no argument there. But phase 4 wasn't all that great at working together to tell a larger story. It wasn't nearly as cohesive as phase one was. They threw too much at the wall to see what would stick. It was a quantity over quality issue in my opinion. What the MCU did that was so special in my opinion, was tell a quality standalone story, while having plenty of threads tying the overarching story together. Not every film needs to be a billion plus. But I still think it's fair to judge antman against antman. I don't expect antman 3 to beat out an avengers but I do think it should beat the last installment.
It’s gonna drop close to 70% on the second weekend…which is the equivalent of a Hollywood flatline.
It depends on what you define as a "problem".
In all honesty Phase 1 was a mess in terms of a cohesive story, it was really just a bunch of standalone stories with some basic elements that tied it to the others. They were still working it out and what it meant for a multi-phase story arc to be. It wasn't until Phase 2 (deep into it if you ask me) before it really started to click that everything is tied together.
As for Quantumania, its tracking better than the other two Ant-man films. If things continue it should finish better than the other two when is all said and done.
You know what I think? It’s gonna get worse the more comic book and less Hollywood they go…
Well it is all comic book my friend, its literally stories ripped from the pages of the comics. So the only way they could go more comic book is if they started making films with the panels instead of live action.....You know what I think? It’s gonna get worse the more comic book and less Hollywood they go…
But this is the first time you’re hearing this
I'll jump in on this one - because RDJ knocked it out of the park in his first appearance - he MADE the MCU. (And I say that as someone who didn't fall in love with the MCU until Thor and Cap debuted.)
I think that would be true IF audiences were still only casually aware of Marvel. But haven’t all the films, shows, and Happy Meal toys essentially developed the fandom? Seems there’s an appetite for the more comic book stuff at this point. Case in point: No Way Home. No way they could have pulled that off back in 2008 (when they launched the MCU with Iron Man).You know what I think? It’s gonna get worse the more comic book and less Hollywood they go…
But this is the first time you’re hearing this
Good thoughts here. I see what you mean. I think they’re having to navigate some interesting dynamics with these next-gen characters. The original actors cast some pretty big shadows. And because several of them are women and people of color, there are social dynamics at play. But I think each will get their chance to shine (or not) when they become more of the focus of the story.
