Marvel Land Discussion and Rumors

[FigmentForver96]

You forgot the Hyperion, Red Car Trolley, Monsters Inc, and Mission Breakout. There's actually more to the land than people think, even more than in some areas of DL, but the different sections are so disjointed and unrelated that it's easy to dismiss the land as weak on attractions. There's also something that feels a little cheesy and cliche about literal representations of Hollywood in theme parks. Chapek and Iger need to turn up the volume on storytelling and theming to make the land measure up to what people expect from Disney.

Hollywood Studios nailed it beautifully, twice, but it just never got better after Tower. The streetmosphere, the lights, music, all just adds to one amazing area.

 

[Ismael Flores]

I'm really hoping that TDA and Burbank see the successful opening of Mission Breakout and super Hero summer thing and push forward with the development of the Marvel area. It would be great if they started construction as soon as possible so that the new land can open soon after Star Wars land.
Disneyland resort will need the balancing act so that Disneyland park doesn't see the full force of guests going I to that gate.

I know it would probably be to late to open simultaneously and it wouldn't be good marketing strategy but even if they were spread out within a years opening it would help.

I am at least hoping that TDA is preparing DCA with some new offerings, wether it be new parades and other entertainment that will also help draw crowds during Star Wars land opening

 

[TP2000]

You forgot the Hyperion, Red Car Trolley, Monsters Inc, and Mission Breakout. There's actually more to the land than people think, even more than in some areas of DL, but the different sections are so disjointed and unrelated that it's easy to dismiss the land as weak on attractions. There's also something that feels a little cheesy and cliche about literal representations of Hollywood in theme parks. Chapek and Iger need to turn up the volume on storytelling and theming to make the land measure up to what people expect from Disney.

There's also the Sunset Showcase Theater where they show 4D movie previews (currently Pirates) and the Disney Junior Dance Party.

Hollywood Land at DCA would be like a half a park if you moved it to WDW.

 

[TP2000]

I can't tell you how many theme parks I've been to with a Hollywood backlot theme. One even had a roller coaster very, very, very loosely themed to Top Gun. Yeah. The thing is, aside from Universal Studios Florida, which is the gold standard of this theme and some areas of MGM Studios, this theme doesn't work. We don't want to be on a Hollywood backlot, which amounts to banal soundstages and scaffolding. Ugly. Boring.

It's also very inexpensive to build, which is why lesser theme parks and lesser Disney executives like Paul Pressler like to build "Hollywood!" sections in parks. It's cheap as heck for them.

And then they get to play it off like it was done on purpose to show people the magic of Hollywood is just a thin veneer over scaffolding and stucco warehouses. How clever! How interesting! How cheap!

 

[troy.]

I hope Hollywood Blvd stays, but they have to get away from any "studio" reference and a build a real facade to the the Hyperion Theater. Which, for them, it may be easier to re-imagine the entire street and its layout. Maybe the street is angled north to give the theater a better entry point. Build a better front side to the Disney Jr. and the Animation Building to meet up with the new angled street. I think DCA needs a city feel beyond Buena Vista. Maybe it's Market St. in San Francisco. Looking at the Map. I should have included Disney Jr. as a possibly on the chopping block. It is all quite a chunk of land. I hope they do the right things long term for the park. I want Marvel in the park, but I don't want a land with just Marvel and no broader theme to the area. These are the areas they could possibly mess with in my opinion.

 

[BrianLo]

I've never been a fan of Disneys take on the whole backlot / "behind the scenes" stuff. Also I think with GOTG:MB that boat has sailed. I'd love to see a Mickey E in the backlot and for the animation building to stay. The lobby is one of my favorite places at DCA.

I always kind of thought the Sorcerers workshop specifically could go towards a queue and a large show building could be added partially splitting it with Marvel. I like the Animation building being its own mini pavilion.... BUT...

The Backlot is just a wasted mess and seems more likely. I'd certainly hope it yields more than a single E-ticket considering the bonus space from the Eastern Gateway. Grumman theatre facade in the backlot I'd be totally fine with. Sort of a reverse DHS (which also features Carthay off on Sunset Blvd).

The other thing is using Bugs Land for Mickey = less space for Marvel. Since we have pretty much zero other clues about Backlot it seems most logical to assume it's for Mickey.

 

[mickEblu]

I always kind of thought the Sorcerers workshop specifically could go towards a queue and a large show building could be added partially splitting it with Marvel. I like the Animation building being its own mini pavilion.... BUT...

The Backlot is just a wasted mess and seems more likely. I'd certainly hope it yields more than a single E-ticket considering the bonus space from the Eastern Gateway. Grumman theatre facade in the backlot I'd be totally fine with. Sort of a reverse DHS (which also features Carthay off on Sunset Blvd).

The other thing is using Bugs Land for Mickey = less space for Marvel. Since we have pretty much zero other clues about Backlot it seems most logical to assume it's for Mickey.

I would prefer that A Bugs Land (or whatever takes it place) remains an aesthetically pleasing Land especially considering the location of its main entrance off of the main artery of DCA facing Grizzly Peak/ the winery. I wouldn't mind at all if the bulk of Marvel Land runs from behind GOTG through the current bus transportation area for a couple reasons....Thematically I think it works better and aesthetically it won't clash so much with the surrounding lands. All of this space including GOTG is at least what, 15 acres?

Mickey can go in the backlot and be the new anchor to Hollywoodland with a new Trolley reroute that goes thru the old backlot. Monster inc would be a loss but I don't think Disney would be too concerned with that being that it would be replaced with an even better family friendly attraction with higher capacity. Does seem like a lot of room for just Mickey though. I imagine the old Muppets theatre or one of the other buildings can be rethemed to a smaller attraction.

That leaves a Bugs Land. I wonder operations wise, if DCA can afford to lose the toddlers rides for the height requirement Marvel rides? I think with Cars Land, Mermaid, TSMM, some of the Paradise Pier flats and Mickey it shouldn't be too much of a problem. They just have to be careful to leave enough for the young ones to do. It would be counterintuitive to at least part of the reason Marvel Land is going in DCA- to take some of the crowds from DL. I wouldn't rule out another Pixar property moving in if Bugs Land goes.

I would like for the animation building to stay but I worry about it's fate because of the amount of land it takes up. The lobby is great and Turtle Talk and the animation academy are a nice change of pace.

 

[SSG]

I agree with many on here that Bugs Land will probably be replaced, but I'm not sure it would go to a Marvel Land--at least not all of it. Given it's location, I could see BL being split for Marvel and a CarsLand expansion.

 

[mickEblu]

I agree with many on here that Bugs Land will probably be replaced, but I'm not sure it would go to a Marvel Land--at least not all of it. Given it's location, I could see BL being split for Marvel and a CarsLand expansion.

More Cars Land? Yawn. I mean it's great but its enough. I think there are lot of other great IPs that could use some love.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

Really, how the expansions turns out depends on the Eastern Gateway project. It just opens up so much more land and Bugs Land may be spared for the time being. Also, looking at the rumored coaster, it's gonna be a tight fit behind MB if it's a Tron clone.

 

[SSG]

Really, how the expansions turns out depends on the Eastern Gateway project. It just opens up so much more land and Bugs Land may be spared for the time being. Also, looking at the rumored coaster, it's gonna be a tight fit behind MB if it's a Tron clone.

True. People talk like that is a huge space--it's good sized, but not enormous. Looking at Google Earth, it's looks to be about 2/3 the size of RSR. Enough for something good, but not a game changer

 

[ctrlaltdel]

True. People talk like that is a huge space--it's good sized, but not enormous. Looking at Google Earth, it's looks to be about 2/3 the size of RSR. Enough for something good, but not a game changer

You're right, but just thinking about what it would open up in the Backlot is really exciting. I'm guessing if it were to happen, there would be a tear-down of the empty soundstages/Monsters Inc, creating a pretty big area to play with. It would signal something quite a bit more ambitious than if they kept the current footprint. Which could mean we get "just" the Mickey ride (and sprucing up of the Backlot) and the Avengers E-ticket (although 2 new E-tickets would be nothing to scoff at). Obviously Bugs Land is a wildcard and could add significant space for some smaller attractions as well.

 

[mickEblu]

Really, how the expansions turns out depends on the Eastern Gateway project. It just opens up so much more land and Bugs Land may be spared for the time being. Also, looking at the rumored coaster, it's gonna be a tight fit behind MB if it's a Tron clone.

True. I guess I'm just assuming that the issue HAS to be resolved before SWL opens. I don't think there is any other option.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

True. I guess I'm just assuming that the issue HAS to be resolved before SWL opens. I don't think there is any other option.

I hope so, but I feel like they are running out of time and there is no urgency. Although I suppose this stuff can be thrown up very quickly on an accelerated schedule.

 

[c-one]

The layout of this part of the park is just so screwy. Hollywood doesn't have enough of a main drag, Bugs Land is an awkward fit, and I fear the tower will cut off anything behind it such that the big ugly blank side will look over everything (as opposed to the big ugly busy side). Shame they can't move the Guardians Tower a few football fields backward.

 

[c-one]

Hollywood Studios nailed it beautifully, twice, but it just never got better after Tower. The streetmosphere, the lights, music, all just adds to one amazing area.

Both DHS and the DCA land screwed up the same thing, which is the divide between soundstage style and actual old-Hollywood style. I guess it's been opposite order, with DHS slowly giving up and going beige soundstage, whereas DCA added more real themeing (and really all of Buena Vista Street) to fix the initial more-soundstagey disaster. But in 2017, in both cases, there's an awkward "so...which is it?" thing going on that remains unresolved.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Anyone know if they removed the huge equipment that was needed to create the air for the dead Luigis flying tires?

Once they develop the rest of timón with Marvel it would be great if they did clear out all that unused equipment and created a smaller path. I think there is some room between the firehouse and the Luigi building for a small path leading I to the expansion.

Also do they still use the huge tire storage open land tha butts up to the existing guest path leading into FFF?

 

[Professortango1]

True. People talk like that is a huge space--it's good sized, but not enormous. Looking at Google Earth, it's looks to be about 2/3 the size of RSR. Enough for something good, but not a game changer

Indiana Jones Adventure could fit there. A ride of that caliber and scope would be a game changer. RSR takes up a ton of room because its a speed coaster requiring tons of space to accelerate and zoom along.

 

[Little Green Men]

There's also the Sunset Showcase Theater where they show 4D movie previews (currently Pirates) and the Disney Junior Dance Party.

Hollywood Land at DCA would be like a half a park if you moved it to WDW.

They would never have half a park with all that junk at WDW 1 or 2 rides yes

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

The layout of this part of the park is just so screwy. Hollywood doesn't have enough of a main drag, Bugs Land is an awkward fit, and I fear the tower will cut off anything behind it such that the big ugly blank side will look over everything (as opposed to the big ugly busy side). Shame they can't move the Guardians Tower a few football fields backward.

It's astonishing just how badly DCA was designed. It may be the worst designed Disney park.