Marvel Land Discussion and Rumors

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Y'all think Justice League's gonna be good? Looks like utter trash to me.

OK....(opening can of worms...but here goes)
I LOVE Batman. Always have, always will.
I'm a weirdo in this respect because I actually didn't hate BVS.

.............ok...........I didn't break the internet. phew.

That being said, I can see the criticisms from all sides of the coin. It wasn't a perfect film, but neither was Nolan's DKR. However, Affleck as Batman has been a HUGE surprise and so anything that puts him back in the character I will get behind. Scratch that, anything that puts him on screen with Wonder Woman I'll get behind. I would honestly love just a duo-flick of Batman and WW. Not in a romantic way obviously, just seeing them together kicking so much baddie butt.

All that to say, am I concerned JL will be a flop? No, since I have nothing invested financially in it apart from my vested interest in the aforementioned characters. I could careless about Cyborg, Flash looks promising, but could easily see him getting tiring. The real outlier for me is Aquaman. I'm very curious to see how he fits into this whole thing.

With Whedon at the helm instead of Snyder, I have hopes it will turn out better than people are expecting...but again, if it winds up with a 30% on Rotten Tomatoes, I will still go and see it.

I mean, come on...

 

[spacemt354]

Actually from what Kevin Feige and Mark Ruffalo have indicated its Universal that doesn't want to play ball. I mean a deal was stuck with Sony for Spider-Man. So why wouldn't Universal want to do a similar deal with Hulk where they both get a cut?

Well here is my theory, it all comes down to the theme park rights to the Marvel characters. Disney wants these back at all costs. So its dangling the Hulk solo movies in front of Universal saying we can make these and split the revenue. But you have to give up the exclusive claims to the Marvel character in the theme parks on the East Coast (only place Disney is limited).

Otherwise I don't see any other reason why Universal wouldn't want to distribute the IH films if made my Marvel. Marvel is basically printing money at this point, so Universal would be stupid to say no if there was just a movie deal on the table.

Keep in mind 2008's The Incredible Hulk only made $263 million globally. Yet The Avengers, Thor, and other franchises that include Hulk create much more revenue.

Why haggle with Universal and split costs for a stand-alone Hulk film when they aren't as successful as other films Hulk has been in and Marvel/Disney controls those?

 

[Disney Irish]

Y'all think Justice League's gonna be good? Looks like utter trash to me.

The DC films were always just blah to me with the exception of the first Batman. However its interesting what they are doing with the DC Extended Universe (DCEU). Although I think they missed a golden opportunity by not using the Arrowverse (TV) to launch the films. The way Marvel has the entire MCU by joined TV and Films together is marketing genius.

The question is can the DCEU continue to be good or is it too late.

 

[Disney Irish]

Keep in mind 2008's The Incredible Hulk only made $263 million globally. Yet The Avengers, Thor, and other franchises that include Hulk create much more revenue.

Why haggle with Universal and split costs for a stand-alone Hulk film when they aren't as successful as other films Hulk has been in and Marvel/Disney controls those?

But again its not Disney/Marvel that is holding it up, its Universal. Again this is according to Kevin Feige the head of Marvel.

And with a pure Marvel treatment of Hulk I'm sure it'll make money. I mean just look at Homecoming versus the last two Spidey movies, it made $100 Million more worldwide. And it only fell $11 Million short of Spider-Man 3 (Toby's) worldwide numbers from 10 years earlier.

 

[spacemt354]

OK....(opening can of worms...but here goes)
I LOVE Batman. Always have, always will.
I'm a weirdo in this respect because I actually didn't hate BVS.

.............ok...........I didn't break the internet. phew.

That being said, I can see the criticisms from all sides of the coin. It wasn't a perfect film, but neither was Nolan's DKR. However, Affleck as Batman has been a HUGE surprise and so anything that puts him back in the character I will get behind. Scratch that, anything that puts him on screen with Wonder Woman I'll get behind. I would honestly love just a duo-flick of Batman and WW. Not in a romantic way obviously, just seeing them together kicking so much baddie butt.

All that to say, am I concerned JL will be a flop? No, since I have nothing invested financially in it apart from my vested interest in the aforementioned characters. I could careless about Cyborg, Flash looks promising, but could easily see him getting tiring. The real outlier for me is Aquaman. I'm very curious to see how he fits into this whole thing.

With Whedon at the helm instead of Snyder, I have hopes it will turn out better than people are expecting...but again, if it winds up with a 30% on Rotten Tomatoes, I will still go and see it.

You are not alone in your interest in Batman v Superman...I'm one of the outliers who thought it was a fantastic film.


There were some issues as with all films, but the hate towards the film is completely undeserved. I for one, enjoyed how DC (Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy) and the start of the DCEU, has been tonally darker and more 'serious' compared to Marvel's bright colors and whimsy. Hans Zimmer's scores are better than anything in the MCU, which to be adds to the weight of the films as something more dramatic than friendly and comedic.

But now with JL it seems very much like they are rejecting those traits and trying to be more like Marvel. Whedon's color corrections, trailers emphasizing that 'hey - DC does quippy jokes too!' Meh...I'm not that interested.

That being said...I'm sure it will do better on RT and this will be the direction DC will go with their Universe.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

You are not alone in your interest in Batman v Superman...I'm one of the outliers who thought it was a fantastic film.


There were some issues as with all films, but the hate towards the film is completely undeserved. I for one, enjoyed how DC (Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy) and the start of the DCEU, has been tonally darker and more 'serious' compared to Marvel's bright colors and whimsy. Hans Zimmer's scores are better than anything in the MCU, which to be adds to the weight of the films as something more dramatic than friendly and comedic.

But now with JL it seems very much like they are rejecting those traits and trying to be more like Marvel. Whedon's color corrections, trailers emphasizing that 'hey - DC does quippy jokes too!' Meh...I'm not that interested.

That being said...I'm sure it will do better on RT and this will be the direction DC will go with their Universe.

Yeah, the DCEU films have always been knocked for their "grittiness" and "serious tone" over Marvel's fancy flashing color extravaganzas. It was nice to see WW break that mold. Hey, I'm all for adding levity to situations, but in Marvel's case, i think their levity-heavy films have resulted in cartoonish villains that really pose very little depth or threat. Minus Loki, the MCU has a really lame cupboard of villains. I suppose that will change in Thanos, but up until now, they're either fighting a super lame villain, something they helped create, or themselves.

 

[TROR]

I've only seen Man of Steel and have had no desire to see any of the other DCEU films, even Wonder Woman. It can get all the praise in the world, but I fail to see what separates it from the other superhero movies out right now.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I've only seen Man of Steel and have had no desire to see any of the other DCEU films, even Wonder Woman. It can get all the praise in the world, but I fail to see what separates it from the other superhero movies out right now.

two words: Gal Gadot.

 

[TROR]

two words: Gal Gadot.

 

[spacemt354]

But again its not Disney/Marvel that is holding it up, its Universal. Again this is according to Kevin Feige the head of Marvel.

And with a pure Marvel treatment of Hulk I'm sure it'll make money. I mean just look at Homecoming versus the last two Spidey movies, it made $100 Million more worldwide. And it only fell $11 Million short of Spider-Man 3 (Toby's) worldwide numbers from 10 years earlier.

In my opinion, Hulk works much better in an ensemble cast. Spider-Man is a much more proven individual character than Hulk so expecting it to reach the ROI levels of Spider-Man just because it has Mark Ruffalo in it is expecting a lot.

Yeah, the DCEU films have always been knocked for their "grittiness" and "serious tone" over Marvel's fancy flashing color extravaganzas. It was nice to see WW break that mold. Hey, I'm all for adding levity to situations, but in Marvel's case, i think their levity-heavy films have resulted in cartoonish villains that really pose very little depth or threat. Minus Loki, the MCU has a really lame cupboard of villains. I suppose that will change in Thanos, but up until now, they're either fighting a super lame villain, something they helped create, or themselves.

Which I never understood, because it was inspired by the success of the 'dark and gritty' tone of The Dark Knight Trilogy, but Zack Snyder is a polarizing director for whatever reason, and Warner Bros never had a set vision for the DCEU from the start other than a few easter eggs in Man of Steel. Their universe was very reactionary while Marvel's was meticulously planned out.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

In my opinion, Hulk works much better in an ensemble cast. Spider-Man is a much more proven individual character than Hulk so expecting it to reach the ROI levels of Spider-Man just because it has Mark Ruffalo in it is expecting a lot.

Which I never understood, because it was inspired by the success of the 'dark and gritty' tone of The Dark Knight Trilogy, but Zack Snyder is a polarizing director for whatever reason, and Warner Bros never had a set vision for the DCEU from the start other than a few easter eggs in Man of Steel. Their universe was very reactionary while Marvel's was meticulously planned out.

That's a fair assessment. It was a bit slapped together in that sense. Snyder is alsovdefinitely not my favorite director and it would probably benefit WB and the DCEU to tap someone else for future projects.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

 

[Disney Irish]

In my opinion, Hulk works much better in an ensemble cast. Spider-Man is a much more proven individual character than Hulk so expecting it to reach the ROI levels of Spider-Man just because it has Mark Ruffalo in it is expecting a lot.

However we haven't seen a pure Disney/Marvel Hulk solo film outside of the ensemble (Avengers) and buddy films (Ragnarok). So a pure Disney/Marvel Hulk solo film with no interference from another studio may work better than previous attempts. They seem to have the right formula with these characters, after all they are the creators, than other studios. That is why I'm so interested in the Disney/Fox deal, which I hope goes through. I can't wait to see what Marvel can do with X-Men when Fox is not involved.

Which I never understood, because it was inspired by the success of the 'dark and gritty' tone of The Dark Knight Trilogy, but Zack Snyder is a polarizing director for whatever reason, and Warner Bros never had a set vision for the DCEU from the start other than a few easter eggs in Man of Steel. Their universe was very reactionary while Marvel's was meticulously planned out.

This is why Marvel has been genius about their universe. They plan every aspect out it right down to most minute detail. The DCEU just seem like an afterthought, "Oh hey, why don't we join these together". That is why I think they missed an opportunity by not using the Arrowverse as a launching point. Everything was already setup and joined together.

 

[spacemt354]

However we haven't seen a pure Disney/Marvel Hulk solo film outside of the ensemble (Avengers) and buddy films (Ragnarok). So a pure Disney/Marvel Hulk solo film with no interference from another studio may work better than previous attempts. They seem to have the right formula with these characters, after all they are the creators, than other studios. That is why I'm so interested in the Disney/Fox deal, which I hope goes through. I can't wait to see what Marvel can do with X-Men when Fox is not involved.

This is why Marvel has been genius about their universe. They plan every aspect out it right down to most minute detail. The DCEU just seem like an afterthought, "Oh hey, why don't we join these together". That is why I think they missed an opportunity by not using the Arrowverse as a launching point. Everything was already setup and joined together.

I mean, Feige produced The Incredible Hulk film, and it was under the MCU umbrella. So it's not like we haven't seen it before, but then again I think the MCU since Winter Soldier in 2014 has developed a really solid formula with the films to where it's hard to see where a film would flop in the next few years.

Film and TV connections I was never a big fan of. In retrospect, I think the decision to have Agents of Shield be under the creative bubble of what happens in the films didn't turn out as well as they hoped. Cutting ties with Feige having to report to Ike Perlmutter escalated the divide between the movies and TV 'universes' for the better, in my opinion.

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean, Feige produced The Incredible Hulk film, and it was under the MCU umbrella. So it's not like we haven't seen it before, but then again I think the MCU since Winter Soldier in 2014 has developed a really solid formula with the films to where it's hard to see where a film would flop in the next few years.

Film and TV connections I was never a big fan of. In retrospect, I think the decision to have Agents of Shield be under the creative bubble of what happens in the films didn't turn out as well as they hoped. Cutting ties with Feige having to report to Ike Perlmutter escalated the divide between the movies and TV 'universes' for the better, in my opinion.

For me the start of Phase 2 is when it became solid. But yes WS (later in P-2) was a good standalone film.

I like AoS and how it ties-in with the films, the Ghost Rider story line I thought was good. I'm interested to see what they do with Inhumans and how it'll tie-in with the rest of the MCU films. I thought that Carter was good and they should have kept going with it. And that would have been a good tie-in for a Hollywood Land overlay in DCA. Which would have been accepted by more of the haters than just a complete take over by Marvel.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The Wall Street Journal has confirmed our assumptions that part of the motivation behind the Fox deal would be to aquire certain rights to Marvel characters under the studio's banner.

https://www.google.com/amp/comicboo...fox-deal-marvel-x-men-fantastic-four-netflix/

Wish I could read the full WSJ story online but it's behind a subscription wall.

 

[Pixieish]

The DC films were always just blah to me with the exception of the first Batman. However its interesting what they are doing with the DC Extended Universe (DCEU). Although I think they missed a golden opportunity by not using the Arrowverse (TV) to launch the films. The way Marvel has the entire MCU by joined TV and Films together is marketing genius.

The question is can the DCEU continue to be good or is it too late.

To me, most of the DC films have been "meh". I did enjoy the Batman movies with Keaton and Bale, but I could live without the rest. Until Suicide Squad. I looooove that movie. Then Wonder Woman...I took it for what it was - her expository story - but I definitely enjoyed it and am looking forward to the next. I'm hoping Justice League is awesome and that they capture some of what they did in Suicide Squad, but from the good guy side of things.

All in all though, I don't think the DC flicks have been able to hold a candle to the Marvel flicks...if they could it would be pretty amazing. (I'm stoked to finally see DC starting to use more than just Batman and Superman though - it seemed like they were relying strictly on them and their coinciding villains for an awfully long time.)

 

[TROR]

Until Suicide Squad. I looooove that movie.

 

[Pixieish]

I love the way they introduced the characters at the beginning, I thought that was pretty interesting and felt original. Love the sound-track, love how freaking crazy Harley is (and don't think they could have cast the role better), lots of good lines and small tidbits of back-stories. I will admit that when it comes time for the fight with Enchantress that it kind of loses its momentum (and cripes, those humans turned to walking tumors were bad), but when all is said and done, I still love it.

I also ADORE Ryan Reynolds...he made a perfect Deadpool!

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I also ADORE Ryan Reynolds...

Wait, that isn't Channing Tatum? I swear I thought it was him lol.