Marvel Land Discussion and Rumors

[Deleted member 107043]

Well my feeling is that Disney is going away from all non-Disney IP. And after the Great Movie ride closed, ToT is the biggest non-Disney IP left in that park. So I have a feeling the TZ theme's days are numbered. So don't be surprised if its gets the Tokyo theme, closed for a small refurb and reopened with no reference to TZ.

I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense, especially when Disney has been pretty clear that the parks are transforming into channels for distributing branded IP experiences to millions. The only big glaring exception I can think of at the moment is Avatar, but at the pace they're going Disney it would come as no surprise if they aquired the rights by the close of the decade.

 

[Disney Irish]

I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense, especially when Disney has been pretty clear that the parks are transforming into channels for distributing branded IP experiences to millions. The only big glaring exception I can think of at the moment is Avatar, but at the pace they're going Disney it would come as no surprise if they aquired the rights by the close of the decade.

Avatar is unique as it deals with a whole land not a single attraction. Also they have a deal similar to Universal's deal with Marvel in Florida where Disney has exclusive theme park rights to the Avatar world. However I'm sure Disney didn't give outs like Universal did in their contract, so the theme park rights are all Disney's likely forever until they give it up.

 

[Professortango1]

DCA's TOT was always three steps behind DHS's TOT. The buildup to entering the hotel (no extended garden queue) no fifth dimension and no randomized drop sequence. TOT at DCA was a half a$$ed and it showed if you had even been to Orlando. I'm good with the change. Gives DCA an original attraction. GotG is a good use of the ride system. The preshow is great, the lobby of the collector is full of fun easter eggs. Whomever said that it is hard to hear the dialogue sometimes is right.. That seems like something Disney could easily fix.

I've ridden both and DHS' version was my first. Even still, I preferred the DCA version. Sure, the queue and facade were not as nice as the original, that's a given. But the 5th Dimension Room is pretty corny. Sure, the elevator moving forward is cool, but the visuals are laughably bad. Add to it the fact that the ride really stops for a few seconds while the car settles into the drop shaft, and the 5th Dimension Room really hinders more than helps. Even Imagineers said they went cheap on the effects in the room.

The DCA version moves at a faster pace, and it pays off IMO. Plus, I like that the story isn't about being sucked into the TV show anymore, but about experiencing a story within the show. This means we are no longer presented with campy images of the show in the ride (floating window breaking, fake eyeball, E=MC2 on fishing line, etc) and instead the focus is on the ghost story itself.

The original was a good ride, but it clearly is showing its age. The DCA version just felt scarier and much more complete. A nice bonus is having the same Bell Hop at load/unload. It really encourages them to play more and they bookend your experience. With DHS' the end feels very "theme park ride" with the ride vehicle winding into an unloading station.

 

[TP2000]

Well the word on the street, which I think was alluded to previously, is that ToT in DLP is getting the same exact GotG:MB refurb as DCA's did. WDW will be the only version left with TZ, and the writing is on the wall that it won't be around for long. So it really does look like Disney is moving away from the TZ theme for all parks. Guess those that said it was for licensing reasons could really have been right on this one.

I'm taking a long vacation to Singapore and Japan later this month, and I will be in Tokyo DisneySea for a day. I look forward to riding their non-TZ version of Tower of Terror. Everything WDI does for Tokyo is fantastic, but it should be interesting to see how the Tower of Terror storyline can progress without a 1960's TV show flickering to life on a 1960's TV in a hotel library that was abandoned in 1939 decades before the invention of the 29 inch cathode-ray 480p TV screen.

Something tells me it can work, and perhaps work even better than the original "Don't think about it too hard or it doesn't make sense" Twilight Zone plotline.

 

[FigmentForver96]

I've ridden both and DHS' version was my first. Even still, I preferred the DCA version. Sure, the queue and facade were not as nice as the original, that's a given. But the 5th Dimension Room is pretty corny. Sure, the elevator moving forward is cool, but the visuals are laughably bad. Add to it the fact that the ride really stops for a few seconds while the car settles into the drop shaft, and the 5th Dimension Room really hinders more than helps. Even Imagineers said they went cheap on the effects in the room.

The DCA version moves at a faster pace, and it pays off IMO. Plus, I like that the story isn't about being sucked into the TV show anymore, but about experiencing a story within the show. This means we are no longer presented with campy images of the show in the ride (floating window breaking, fake eyeball, E=MC2 on fishing line, etc) and instead the focus is on the ghost story itself.

The original was a good ride, but it clearly is showing its age. The DCA version just felt scarier and much more complete. A nice bonus is having the same Bell Hop at load/unload. It really encourages them to play more and they bookend your experience. With DHS' the end feels very "theme park ride" with the ride vehicle winding into an unloading station.

We've been through this discussion, Orlando had and most defintely will continue to have the superior version. This was nailed down when DCA destroyed their good but knock off vetsion.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm taking a long vacation to Singapore and Japan later this month, and I will be in Tokyo DisneySea for a day. I look forward to riding their non-TZ version of Tower of Terror. Everything WDI does for Tokyo is fantastic, but it should be interesting to see how the Tower of Terror storyline can progress without a 1960's TV show flickering to life on a 1960's TV in a hotel library that was abandoned in 1939 decades before the invention of the 29 inch cathode-ray 480p TV screen.

Something tells me it can work, and perhaps work even better than the original "Don't think about it too hard or it doesn't make sense" Twilight Zone plotline.

Doesn't all of this get filed under the "suspend disbelief" category which is required by any rider to really enjoy most Disney attractions?

Have fun on your trip!

 

[TP2000]

Doesn't all of this get filed under the "suspend disbelief" category which is required by any rider to really enjoy most Disney attractions?

Have fun on your trip!

Yes, it certainly does. But if it's something built while Bob Iger was CEO, or even worse if Bob Chapek was Parks Chairman, then the "suspend disbelief" instruction so necessary for Disneyland to work since 1955 does not count. Or so goes the thinking on most Disney fan message boards.

 

[Professortango1]

We've been through this discussion, Orlando had and most defintely will continue to have the superior version. This was nailed down when DCA destroyed their good but knock off vetsion.

*in your opinion. I know folks who love the Tokyo Tower of Terror, so nothing is definite when it comes to taste.

It all depends what people prefer; slow cooky camp or fast-paced psychological horror.

 

[mickEblu]

Yes, it certainly does. But if it's something built while Bob Iger was CEO, or even worse if Bob Chapek was Parks Chairman, then the "suspend disbelief" instruction so necessary for Disneyland to work since 1955 does not count. Or so goes the thinking on most Disney fan message boards.

Oh hahah. Kind of stopped in for a sec and missed the point you were trying to make.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Not sure who watch Thor Ragnorak but

Spoiler

The scene where Thor gets captured and secured down to the chair was hilarious. That whole scene with the chair moving thru the space and the music for Charlie and chocolate factory seemed like it would make for a fun hybrid dark ride and thrill ride.

 

[vancee]

Not sure who watch Thor Ragnorak but

Spoiler

The scene where Thor gets captured and secured down to the chair was hilarious. That whole scene with the chair moving thru the space and the music for Charlie and chocolate factory seemed like it would make for a fun hybrid dark ride and thrill ride.

Shoot... I kinda read too far, oops.

 

[TROR]

Shoot... I kinda read too far, oops.

Don't have to worry about reading spoilers if you give up on watching Marvel movies. I haven't seen one in theaters since the disappointment of Civil War.

 

[vancee]

Don't have to worry about reading spoilers if you give up on watching Marvel movies. I haven't seen one in theaters since the disappointment of Civil War.

It’s okay I wasn’t going to watch it anyways. The only Marvel movies I watched was GOTG 1 and 2... one of my top favorite movies.

 

[TROR]

It’s okay I wasn’t going to watch it anyways. The only Marvel movies I watched was GOTG 1 and 2... one of my top favorite movies.

Only Marvel movies I really enjoy are Iron Man (2008), The Avengers (2012), Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014), and Guardians of the Galaxy (2014). The rest all feel very repetitive of other Marvel movies as well as other big budget blockbusters. I mean, how many times am I supposed to watch the Avengers fight each other and enjoy it (The Avengers, Age of Ultron, Civil War, Ragnorak) or watch the hero fight an evil version of himself (Iron Man, Ant Man, Dr. Strange, Black Panther)? With the exception of Red Skull, Loki, and Thanos, every villain in Marvel movies is so forgettable. Sorry for the mini rant but most of these movies have no substance and I hate they're what Hollywood is making instead of more movies like The Nice Guys (2016) and Baby Driver (2017).

 

[Ismael Flores]

Thor Ragnarok has that same fun feeling of the Guardian movies. Plenty of laughs with action and some great camoes by other avengers. Great villain too and some pretty funny jabs at itself including probably the best cameo by Stan Lee in any of the movies

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Sadly, Marvel has become a RedBox rental for me.
Civil War was awful. I couldn't imagine spending nearly $20 to see it NOT in the comfort of my own couch.

That said, Black Panther might be my only exception.

 

[mickEblu]

Sadly, Marvel has become a RedBox rental for me.
Civil War was awful. I couldn't imagine spending nearly $20 to see it NOT in the comfort of my own couch.

That said, Black Panther might be my only exception.

Theres just too many of them and it doesn't help when they re using the same characters in most of them. Not to mention the never ending reboots. Im just wondering how long they can sustain this approach until the masses get bored like me.

 

[Disney Irish]

Theres just too many of them and it doesn't help when they re using the same characters in most of them. Not to mention the never ending reboots. Im just wondering how long they can sustain this approach until the masses get bored like me.

With the exception of Spider-Man, which until recently was outside of the MCU/Marvel/Disney control, there have been no reboots in the MCU. Marvel/Disney has no real control over those Marvel properties released outside of the MCU, such as those produced by Fox or Sony. Although that may soon change with the rumored talks between Disney and Fox on Disney buying Fox.

Also the main reason why the MCU has done so well IS the fact they are reusing the same characters. Its the same reason why TV shows and book series have long running fan bases. It gives them a chance to build the character that can't usually be done in a single 2 hour movie.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Theres just too many of them and it doesn't help when they re using the same characters in most of them. Not to mention the never ending reboots. Im just wondering how long they can sustain this approach until the masses get bored like me.

They're starting to play like just longer episodes of TV.
Their approach to the cinematic universe (while good at first...standalones before bringing everyone together) is now feeling too convoluted. I think Honest Trailers said it best when they called Captain America: Civil War, "Avengers 2.5" because that's what it really was.

Spiderman Homecoming was great though.

 

[mickEblu]

They're starting to play like just longer episodes of TV.
Their approach to the cinematic universe (while good at first...standalones before bringing everyone together) is now feeling too convoluted. I think Honest Trailers said it best when they called Captain America: Civil War, "Avengers 2.5" because that's what it really was.

Spiderman Homecoming was great though.

I agree on the approach. I didn't see Spider-Man Homecoming. I'll probably rent it one of these nights. I loved The Tobey Spider-Man movies. Well 1 & 2 at least.