Marvel in Hollywood Studios?

[CJR]

Maybe the Guardians of the Galaxy are in this group (my speculation).

That and Big Hero 6. Big Hero 6 walk around characters are almost guaranteed since Disney always does a good job promoting their animated films in that manner at the parks.

Guardians is a little more complicated, but not really at the same time. One of the villains they fought is from The Avengers family. However, since that villain is not featured at all at IoA it couldn't even be argued that Universal uses anyone from the Guardians family, giving Disney the rights to the Guardians of the Galaxy family of heroes and villains (minus the ones Universal already has the rights to, but doesn't use). Disney won't be able to use that particular villain, but I don't think they have plans to anyway in the film(s) or parks. They can also keep Universal from using him in the future, so basically, no one will get to see them in any theme park unless a new agreement can be made (unlikely for awhile).

That's to even assume Guardians of the Galaxy will be successful, if it's not, there's almost no chance of a theme park attraction. Also, from what I read, if Disney does put a Marvel ride in the park, they can't use the Marvel label with it to prevent confusion with IoA. So let's say they put a Guardians ride in Tomorrowland, they can't put the Marvel logo on the attraction, if I read the contract correctly. So Disney will have to get the public familiar with the exact names of the Marvel franchises instead of just the Marvel brand as a whole.

 

[PorterRedkey]

Why? It was a wildly inaccurate rumor told to the OP from a 10 dollar an hour theme park tour guide in a polyester plaid vest. Not every CM gets to wear the polyester plaid vest, you know, so it might be true.

Well, nobody told me their were in the prestigious polyester plaid vest, don't I feel like a fool now.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

That and Big Hero 6. Big Hero 6 walk around characters are almost guaranteed since Disney always does a good job promoting their animated films in that manner at the parks.

Guardians is a little more complicated, but not really at the same time. One of the villains they fought is from The Avengers family. However, since that villain is not featured at all at IoA it couldn't even be argued that Universal uses anyone from the Guardians family, giving Disney the rights to the Guardians of the Galaxy family of heroes and villains (minus the ones Universal already has the rights to, but doesn't use). Disney won't be able to use that particular villain, but I don't think they have plans to anyway in the film(s) or parks. They can also keep Universal from using him in the future, so basically, no one will get to see them in any theme park unless a new agreement can be made (unlikely for awhile).

That's to even assume Guardians of the Galaxy will be successful, if it's not, there's almost no chance of a theme park attraction. Also, from what I read, if Disney does put a Marvel ride in the park, they can't use the Marvel label with it to prevent confusion with IoA. So let's say they put a Guardians ride in Tomorrowland, they can't put the Marvel logo on the attraction, if I read the contract correctly. So Disney will have to get the public familiar with the exact names of the Marvel franchises instead of just the Marvel brand as a whole.

Thanos is coming. Make no mistake.

Also, is Big Hero 6 really confirmed? Or rumor?

 

[lebeau]

This is absolutely my understanding. And it makes Uni fans crazy to contemplate the implications.

As usual, you misunderstood.

 

[lebeau]

I have an idea...unless you are using a mouse with a mind of it's own, simply do not click on it and for you it will disappear. Personally, I have no interest in Marvel at all, but, I do find the conversation informative, but, when I tire of it, I will just go to another thread. You folks sound like Disney Management. They also, do not want to add anything without dismantling something that is already there.

The problem is it isn't informative at all. It's the opposite of informative. Reading it rots your brain. It is nothing but misinformation and fanbois clinging to unrealistic dreams as though they were inevitable.

 

[CJR]

Thanos is coming. Make no mistake.

Also, is Big Hero 6 really confirmed? Or rumor?

Thanos might be in the films (although I think I read it's Avengers films, not Guardians of the Galaxy which is also in development), but not the the parks. Universal has the theme parks rights, but if Disney want to use Guardians in the parks, they'll be sure to disapprove any attempt Universal makes to use him or work out some sort of deal.

Here's an EW article regarding Big Hero 6: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/06/...nfirms-plans-for-marvels-big-hero-6-breaking/

The last I've heard, it will be the 2014 film done by Walt Disney Animation. Basically, it'll be the film to follow Frozen, which comes out this November. My guess is it'll be November 2014 following the typical November release WDA has had in recent years.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's the dumb part of the contract. Literally SOOOO many marvel characters are part of the avengers in some way shape or form! it sucks

How is it dumb? If you had the rights to use Spider-Man would you want somebody nearby to be able to use other Spider-Man characters?

 

[Captain Chaos]

People still are not getting it.. The character DOES NOT HAVE TO BE REPRESENTED IN UNIVERSAL... as long as a member of the FAMILY (and that includes villains) is represented, all characters associated with that family are off limits...

 

[lebeau]

I didn't know you were a uni fan.

Anyway, the first I read that Disney can use Marvel characters not licensed for IoA was an article in the Sentinel. I have never seen Uni or Disney refute it. So while ant man might be seen at WDW, the character likely will not be featured at Universal.

It isn't really about what we perceive as compelling Marvel characters. It is really now about the characters that have yet to be imagined and future generations. Someday your grand children will be telling you the Avengers are lame because they will have new characters from Marvel. And Universal will not have the rights to those franchises.

That is all I am saying.

Yes, Marvel has a great track record for creating brand new characters and franchises. That's they have created so many successful families of characters. There's Spider-man who was created in the 60's. The Fantastic Four from the 60's. The Avengers were created during the Silver Age of the 60's. And of course the X-men who were created in the, um, well, the 60's. Seeing as how they haven't created a single popular character in 50 years that wasn't a member of one of these families, I am sure they are due to start churning them out any minute now.

Is anything funnier than jt in a Marvel thread? I think not.

 

[englanddg]

Disney is just buying all of Florida and turning every city into a Magical theme park destination.

I read that!

They are going to turn Miami into Grand Theft Auto Land after the Rockstar acquisition is complete.

I can't wait to go!

 

[lebeau]

This thread should end, nothing to see here. Haven't we done this before?

As a matter of fact we are doing it right now in another thread. I am amazed the threads haven't yet been merged, I assume it will happen Monday morning.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I read that!

They are going to turn Miami into Grand Theft Auto Land after the Rockstar acquisition is complete.

I can't wait to go!

Of course, all they will do is put on card board cut outs of buildings.. Gotta value engineer!!!

 

[lebeau]

This could totally work. A contract can always be renegotiated, but the ideal time to do it probably would have been before they announced the second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe/parts of phase 3. Disney and Comcast probably have more lawyers than they even know what to do with; lock them in a room and let them fight over a deal. I could see it hypothetically going three ways:

1. Disney is willing to straight up pay for a list of smaller characters that are not directly used at Uni. They could have grabbed rights to characters like Ant-Man or Black Panther that probably wouldn't mean much to Uni, and then worked to build those characters. All of a sudden, Ant-Man has a standalone movie coming out after Avengers 2. Three years ago, even with Marvel having success, his theme park rights were pretty worthless I'd bet. Three years from today, if his movie is a success...?
2. Disney's lawyers come up with a list of characters that they think they can legally use, and they offer Uni x amount of money not to sue them. Maybe the Guardians of the Galaxy are in this group (my speculation).
3. Some combination of 1 & 2.

What Disney WON'T do, however, is strongarm Uni. I just don't see a lot of leverage for Disney in the contract. Even if Disney built a standalone E-ticket in Downtown Disney, I think they'd be in court for years.

What incentive does either company have to do this?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Iron Man 3 will have made enough money in the US alone this week to make the film profitable. There is simply no way to build an attraction that will be "profitable" that quickly, much less one that also must cover the expenses of buying out a licensee.

 

[lebeau]

That and Big Hero 6. Big Hero 6 walk around characters are almost guaranteed since Disney always does a good job promoting their animated films in that manner at the parks.

Guardians is a little more complicated, but not really at the same time. One of the villains they fought is from The Avengers family. However, since that villain is not featured at all at IoA it couldn't even be argued that Universal uses anyone from the Guardians family, giving Disney the rights to the Guardians of the Galaxy family of heroes and villains (minus the ones Universal already has the rights to, but doesn't use). Disney won't be able to use that particular villain, but I don't think they have plans to anyway in the film(s) or parks. They can also keep Universal from using him in the future, so basically, no one will get to see them in any theme park unless a new agreement can be made (unlikely for awhile).

That's to even assume Guardians of the Galaxy will be successful, if it's not, there's almost no chance of a theme park attraction. Also, from what I read, if Disney does put a Marvel ride in the park, they can't use the Marvel label with it to prevent confusion with IoA. So let's say they put a Guardians ride in Tomorrowland, they can't put the Marvel logo on the attraction, if I read the contract correctly. So Disney will have to get the public familiar with the exact names of the Marvel franchises instead of just the Marvel brand as a whole.

Seeing as how Disney has announced that Guardians of the Galaxy is part of their Phase 2 Avengers movies, I think they would be considered part of that family.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Seeing as how Disney has announced that Guardians of the Galaxy is part of their Phase 2 Avengers movies, I think they would be considered part of that family.

There is a part of me that would love to see the contract go to arbitration and the meetings be open to the public. It would be interesting to see all of the comic book nerds hired by each side to argue who is part of each family.

 

[lebeau]

There is a part of me that would love to see the contract go to arbitration and the meetings be open to the public. It would be interesting to see all of the comic book nerds hired by each side to argue who is part of each family.

That would be entertaining. I'm imagining each side represented by an army of Comic Book Guys. After one side completes its argument, the other side says "epic fail".

 

[Darth Tater]

Truth is such a pain in the to the delusional; liberating though for the rest of us....

^This. Disney fandom is like a religion to many. They will believe what they want to believe no matter how much logic is looking them square in the face. Regardless of what contracts & legalities may say, they refuse to allow their Disney dreams & fantasies to become skewed with the harshness of reality. So I say, let them live with their delusions. It's less stressful for the rest of us to just stay out of it. If they truly believe there will one day be a Marvel land at DHS with all of their favorite superheroes strolling around, so be it. Let them have that dream. Pushing logic can be more of a headache than it's worth.

And for those of you Marvel-in-the-park hopefuls, send me a pic of you meeting Iron Man at DHS & riding the new Avengers E-ticket thrill attraction when that day comes. I hope it's everything you dreamed it would be.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The problem is it isn't informative at all. It's the opposite of informative. Reading it rots your brain. It is nothing but misinformation and fanbois clinging to unrealistic dreams as though they were inevitable.

That would be entertaining. I'm imagining each side represented by an army of Comic Book Guys. After one side completes its argument, the other side says "epic fail".

Sucked right into the vortex weren't you? I guess that confirms the rotted brain theory. There are many things that I am happy about in life. One of the biggest things is that I wouldn't know one Marvel character from the other. To me when anyone expresses anything about anything to do with them, it's like everything is in a language that I don't understand. But like any language every once in a while a stray word reaches my conscientiousness and that one word would be Spiderman. However to be honest, the only frame of reference I have is the ride at Universal. Never seen a movie or read a comic about him.

 

[lebeau]

Sucked right into the vortex weren't you? I guess that confirms the rotted brain theory. There are many things that I am happy about in life. One of the biggest things is that I wouldn't know one Marvel character from the other. To me when anyone expresses anything about anything to do with them, it's like everything is in a language that I don't understand. But like any language every once in a while a stray word reaches my conscientiousness and that one word would be Spiderman. However to be honest, the only frame of reference I have is the ride at Universal. Never seen a movie or read a comic about him.

Dude, I live in that vortex.