Marathon Sunday nightmare

21stamps

21stamps

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plutofan15 said:
Yes it is a real question. So by that logic, when we went a few years ago with two other families, our party of 14 should have expected to be seated in the same time frame as a party of 2 or 4. Otherwise, we would be treated unfairly. If you really want to extend this out, the single rider lines are treating my party of four unfairly. How come the smaller party of one gets to ride sooner than we are. That is being treated unfairly! My point is that there are always exceptions and the reaction to complain every time there is a perception of being treated "unfairly" is a sad reflection of the age of entitlement in which some people live in these days.
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It's worth pointing out here- a party of 2 can be seated at an empty 4 top.
A party of 14 can not.

That's just a logistical difference. Banning a party of 2 is some odd form of discrimination in a way. I just can not see a restaurant ever having that policy.
 
raven

raven

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plutofan15 said:
Really?? So, if I understand correctly, every party should be treated the same regardless of the size?
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Um, yes.

plutofan15 said:
Yes it is a real question. So by that logic, when we went a few years ago with two other families, our party of 14 should have expected to be seated in the same time frame as a party of 2 or 4. Otherwise, we would be treated unfairly. If you really want to extend this out, the single rider lines are treating my party of four unfairly. How come the smaller party of one gets to ride sooner than we are. That is being treated unfairly! My point is that there are always exceptions and the reaction to complain every time there is a perception of being treated "unfairly" is a sad reflection of the age of entitlement in which some people live in these days.
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The point of a Single Rider line is to fill seats when there are parties with an odd number. Otherwise the single riders would be stuck somewhere in the standby line where CMs can't reach them when they need to fill a seat, which leave seats empty making that line move slower. Quite often and some parks when there is a single rider at an attraction that doesn't offer a Single Rider line, that person will get to the front and have to wait off to the side until an opportunity comes seat them. Is that fair?

You are complaining now just to complain. Why are you so upset that a policy changed to make more people happy? I don't get it. Obviously I didn't gain anything from the situation personally other than the thought of knowing future parties of 2 are now welcomed there. I didn't even take the Fast Pass they offered because we were not staying longer.
 
xdan0920

xdan0920

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plutofan15 said:
Yes it is a real question. So by that logic, when we went a few years ago with two other families, our party of 14 should have expected to be seated in the same time frame as a party of 2 or 4. Otherwise, we would be treated unfairly. If you really want to extend this out, the single rider lines are treating my party of four unfairly. How come the smaller party of one gets to ride sooner than we are. That is being treated unfairly! My point is that there are always exceptions and the reaction to complain every time there is a perception of being treated "unfairly" is a sad reflection of the age of entitlement in which some people live in these days.
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Yikes. You sure did extrapolate this all out to a ridiculous level. I was just saying, you should be treated the same at the restaurant regardless of party size. Bringing wait times into it is just weird.
 
Ted Daggett

Ted Daggett

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MMDVC said:
I am glad to see others find a FP handout does not equal fair compensation and yet we allow ourselves to act like it is a piece of gold. Personally I think it is insulting to our worth that Disney gives us something that costs them nothing when our vacation time on Disney property is pretty expensive.
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It is not always fair compensation, however if something occurs that makes you have to wait an additional 15 minutes, and you receive a "free" fast pass for your troubles, you could use that fast pass on Space Mountain that had a 75 minute wait time, to save you net 60 minutes. If the park is open from 9:00 - 7:00 your $100 MK admission is $10 per hour (per person), so effectively you gained $10
 
Ted Daggett

Ted Daggett

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BalooChicago said:
Waiting in line for Peter Pan there was a woman completely going off as mine train was down when her FP was booked. "We paid thousands of dollars, booked these things months in advance, this was our one chance to ride it, and now we won't be able to". I could see her point. The lines for Mine Train (and Frozen) were nuts the whole time we were there.
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Typically if a ride goes down temporarily at any point during your fast pass window, you will automatically receive a free fast pass to any other ride in the park that is available any time during the day.
 
Ted Daggett

Ted Daggett

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raven said:
Um, yes.


The point of a Single Rider line is to fill seats when there are parties with an odd number. Otherwise the single riders would be stuck somewhere in the standby line where CMs can't reach them when they need to fill a seat, which leave seats empty making that line move slower. Quite often and some parks when there is a single rider at an attraction that doesn't offer a Single Rider line, that person will get to the front and have to wait off to the side until an opportunity comes seat them. Is that fair?

You are complaining now just to complain. Why are you so upset that a policy changed to make more people happy? I don't get it. Obviously I didn't gain anything from the situation personally other than the thought of knowing future parties of 2 are now welcomed there. I didn't even take the Fast Pass they offered because we were not staying longer.
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If you are incredibly unlucky, and every party in the regular line is in an "even #" group, the single rider line could potentially be longer than the regular line.
 
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plutofan15

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raven said:
Um, yes.


The point of a Single Rider line is to fill seats when there are parties with an odd number. Otherwise the single riders would be stuck somewhere in the standby line where CMs can't reach them when they need to fill a seat, which leave seats empty making that line move slower. Quite often and some parks when there is a single rider at an attraction that doesn't offer a Single Rider line, that person will get to the front and have to wait off to the side until an opportunity comes seat them. Is that fair?

You are complaining now just to complain. Why are you so upset that a policy changed to make more people happy? I don't get it. Obviously I didn't gain anything from the situation personally other than the thought of knowing future parties of 2 are now welcomed there. I didn't even take the Fast Pass they offered because we were not staying longer.
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I am fully aware of the reason for a single rider line. I am simply expanding the argument to what, I admit, is truly a ridiculous argument to make a point that there are always exceptions to everything. Life isn't fair all the time. Nobody is upset at a policy change; if indeed there ever was a policy in place or simply a misinformed cast member. My point, and has been since the beginning of this thread, is that sometimes people have to take responsibilities for what happens to them and try not to blame someone else. There is certainly a sense these days to blame others. Too many times people visit WDW and the trip does not completely go as their vision thought it would. Many people (not all) blame Disney for what ever the issue may have been. Is it a fault of Disney at times? Sure. Is it the fault of the individual at times? Sure. Is it just simply bad luck and a confluence of events out of anybody's control at times? Sure. But what is rarely or if ever heard, at least on these boards, is how somebody made a mistake in planning, forgot to do something or simply had some bad luck. Rarely does anything occur that completely ruins a trip unless you let it happen. Things happen, move on and enjoy the rest of your vacation, don't dwell on the negative.

I'm done with this - everyone have a magical day and don't let the bumps in the road ruin your journey. Life is too short.
 
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raven

raven

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plutofan15 said:
I am fully aware of the reason for a single rider line. I am simply expanding the argument to what, I admit, is truly a ridiculous argument to make a point that there are always exceptions to everything. Life isn't fair all the time. Nobody is upset at a policy change; if indeed there ever was a policy in place or simply a misinformed cast member. My point, and has been since the beginning of this thread, is that sometimes people have to take responsibilities for what happens to them and try not to blame someone else. There is certainly a sense these days to blame others. Too many times people visit WDW and the trip does not completely go as their vision thought it would. Many people (not all) blame Disney for what ever the issue may have been. Is it a fault of Disney at times? Sure. Is it the fault of the individual at times? Sure. Is it just simply bad luck and a confluence of events out of anybody's control at times? Sure. But what is rarely or if ever heard, at least on these boards, is how somebody made a mistake in planning, forgot to do something or simply had some bad luck. Rarely does anything occur that completely ruins a trip unless you let it happen. Things happen, move on and enjoy the rest of your vacation, don't dwell on the negative.

I'm done with this - everyone have a magical day and don't let the bumps in the road ruin your journey. Life is too short.
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Not sure what your argument is here. A party of 2 was denied dinning at a restaurant. Obviously it wasn't the party's fault.

Pick your battles.
 
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plutofan15

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raven said:
Not sure what your argument is here. A party of 2 was denied dinning at a restaurant. Obviously it wasn't the party's fault.

Pick your battles.
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Wow - no argument here. Never said it was the party's fault. Obviously you are missing my point.

Thanks for your advice on picking my battles. Good advice for everyone including yourself. No battles here just stating my opinion.
 
raven

raven

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You
plutofan15 said:
Never said it was the party's fault. Obviously you are missing my point.
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You INSINUATED that the issue was the guest fault for not planning or knowing the policy of the seating for Be Our Guest right here:
plutofan15 said:
My point is that sometimes people have to take responsibilities for what happens to them and try not to blame someone else. Is it a fault of Disney at times? Sure. Is it the fault of the individual at times? Sure. Is it just simply bad luck and a confluence of events out of anybody's control at times? Sure. But what is rarely or if ever heard, at least on these boards, is how somebody made a mistake in planning, forgot to do something or simply had some bad luck.
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No amount of "planning" would have made a difference for this spur of the moment dining decision that day. A CM was standing outside the restaurant taking reservations as we were walking by it so we decided to eat there. They turned us away for not falling into the criteria of the party size needed to eat there. CM miscommunication or not, it definitely wasn't OUR fault. Should that situation have ever happened? Probably not. Did it? Indeed. People aren't perfect. Disney isn't perfect. But to blame a guest for this issue is ridiculous.
 
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plutofan15

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raven said:
You
You INSINUATED that the issue was the guest fault for not planning or knowing the policy of the seating for Be Our Guest right here:

No amount of "planning" would have made a difference for this spur of the moment dining decision that day. A CM was standing outside the restaurant taking reservations as we were walking by it so we decided to eat there. They turned us away for not falling into the criteria of the party size needed to eat there. CM miscommunication or not, it definitely wasn't OUR fault. Should that situation have ever happened? Probably not. Did it? Indeed. People aren't perfect. Disney isn't perfect. But to blame a guest for this issue is ridiculous.
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No I did not. Never even suggested that - seems that you ASSUMED that. Please show where I remotely said it was the guests fault.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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plutofan15 said:
No I did not. Never even suggested that - seems that you ASSUMED that. Please show where I remotely said it was the guests fault.
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When you said people have to 'take responsibility' for being a party of two... when you replied to this regarding the scenario @raven told.

plutofan15 said:
My point, and has been since the beginning of this thread, is that sometimes people have to take responsibilities for what happens to them and try not to blame someone else.
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If you didn't mean there was no responsibility to own.. then you shouldn't have commented on the tale of a party being turned away for only being a party of two.
 
raven

raven

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plutofan15 said:
No I did not. Never even suggested that - seems that you ASSUMED that. Please show where I remotely said it was the guests fault.
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Someone else can take this one. Obviously no amount of pointing out your own words will make any difference to you.
 
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plutofan15

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flynnibus said:
When you said people have to 'take responsibility' for being a party of two... when you replied to this regarding the scenario @raven told.



If you didn't mean there was no responsibility to own.. then you shouldn't have commented on the tale of a party being turned away for only being a party of two.
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Never said that in regards to the restaurant drama. What I said was "sometimes people have to take responsibilities for what happens to them and try not to blame someone else." This was said as general response to people looking to constantly blame others. Seems like when something goes wrong, whether on a Disney trip or in life in general, the first thing someone does is to assign blame. Sometimes you need to take ownership and realize perhaps there was something that you yourself could have done to avoid/resolve the situation. In the restaurant scenario, there was nothing that the guest could have done. There appears to have been a mistake on the CM; mistakes happen. In my opinion, to feel that they were treated "unfairly" and not visit the restaurant to this day is a bit extreme. But that is my opinion and really should not matter to anyone else.

And thank you for informing me on whether or not I should have commented on a post. I will be sure to check with you in the future.
 

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