LongLiveTheKing
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If someone is trying to sneak a gun into somewhere they're being a skeeze.
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Man caught trying to enter Magic Kingdom with gun
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Cousin Huet
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That's not what was said.....I won't argue your point as it's true but it is irrelevant to what I said and replied to.
RandomPrincess
Keep Moving Forward
It was a joke but most people who carry fire arms don't lie and say they are officers and try to get their guns in where they are not allowed.
lazyboy97o
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There is no mental health assessment made as part of the screening process. The type of lone wolf attack that people convince themselves would at least be stopped by these screenings is more than likely going to be carried out by someone who is familiar with the place, someone who has been many times and simply knows the place.
bhg469
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I think we can all agree that the title is causing unnecessary debate and confusion. The gun would not be a major problem if he:
A. Was licensed to carry in FL (he would just be asked to leave and lock it up)
B. Didn't claim to be a police officer.
Those who say lives were saved? Pure drama! You should never leave your home because you are just looking for something to be afraid of. He was probably just being a stubborn a hole. He thought he was able to carry because he probably did it many times. There is zero proof of malicious intent but 100% proof they guy is a moron.
On a related note, pocket carry is stupid and dangerous when there are so many safe holsters available for every gun imaginable.
A. Was licensed to carry in FL (he would just be asked to leave and lock it up)
B. Didn't claim to be a police officer.
Those who say lives were saved? Pure drama! You should never leave your home because you are just looking for something to be afraid of. He was probably just being a stubborn a hole. He thought he was able to carry because he probably did it many times. There is zero proof of malicious intent but 100% proof they guy is a moron.
On a related note, pocket carry is stupid and dangerous when there are so many safe holsters available for every gun imaginable.
G00fyDad
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I agree with the pocket carry issue. The pocket carry was a dead giveaway that this guy is an idiot. Of course he was fired for "dishonesty or untruthfulness" in the first place. It's my belief that this guy was impersonating a police officer a lot more than just at the gates of WDW. I'd be willing to bet that he is still driving around in a Crown Vic with dark tinted windows and a light above his driver door mirror. It likely has police (or at least all blue for civilian fire and EMS vehicles) lights in the back window. Also, I bet he wears a badge on his belt when he walks around back home. I've seen morons doing this sort of stuff around here where I live. Heck, we even had one civilian moron driving around (in a car like I described above) pulling people over and giving them verbal warnings for speeding.
As for it not being that big of a deal... What would WDW have done if he had presented a legal firearm at the gate and never claimed to be an officer? Would they have made him take it back to his car? I'm curious because I don't remember anyone stating what their official policy is on how that is handled.
bhg469
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I don't know their policy. I would hope that if there was an honest mistake they would let the person stow their weapon in the car. I would imagine a police escort would be sufficient enough to assure disney that the weapon is put away, flag his ticket to make sure he is screened at each visit for the rest of the day.
In this case. New set of bracelets and a free ride to the pokey. I have no issue with this arrest. This is not a second amendment issue, or a right to carry issue. This is someone caught in at least two illegal acts.
LongLiveTheKing
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I can't imagine that security would be able to arrest him for carrying a legal firearm. It's not like an airport where you will be detained in a second and tackled to the ground. I think the most they could do is basically say you're not allowed here with a gun, although if you're not allowed to have a weapon in your car in a college campus, can't they say you can't have a weapon on their property period, including the parking lot? Also, this probably include hotels.
G00fyDad
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I guess I was speaking more in terms of intent on the part of someone trying to gain entry with a firearm while knowing the rules. I was curious if OCS would issue a citation or just turn the person around to secure the firearm in the vehicle.
Tony the Tigger
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Into Disneyworld? Yes.
Tony the Tigger
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That's exactly what I say to people who can't go out of the house without their gun.
Tony the Tigger
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This is 2008, so for what it's worth:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/walt-disney-world-resorts-concealed-carry-policies/
draybook
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G00fyDad
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Some people should only keep the guns at their house. You can't deny that. I've seen far, far, far too many people with a concealed carry permit that have no business owning a firearm. They're twitchy, jumpy, and overzealous. If someone opens fire at them they are liable to do more damage than any good. It never ceases to amaze me to see the amount of people who think that just because a person can get a concealed carry permit that they automatically and instinctively know how to use a firearm. My best friend has a firearm and has no business owning one. He doesn't know how to use it and refuses to allow me to instruct him. He just thinks it's bad that he got a concealed carry permit and now he has a firearm that he carries everywhere.
jakeman
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I wasn't arguing. I was observing that it was an odd set of goal post the poster set up.
I was out when the trinity of rhetoric of media incompetence, Disney is cheap, and factless pigeonholing came into play.
There's other threads around here if I want to read that.
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Tony the Tigger
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Because they know life isn't a movie, and we're not living in the wild, wild West.
Tony the Tigger
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Bingo!
Extrapolate that out to all the friends who have no business owning one, but think they do.
And now it's "a thing" to do it just to show you can.
draybook
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The Wild West wasn't wild. Most killings were done ambush style and many towns didn't allow carrying around. Mississippi is an open carry state but it's not the Wild West down here either. That seems to be a common misconception.
bhg469
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So do you avoid the side walk because at any moment someone could drive on it? I buckle my seatbelt when I drive my car, not because it is a law, but because I am preparing myself for a possible unavoidable disaster. Some people choose to carry a gun in the case they are confronted by someone who wishes to do harm to them with a deadly weapon. I am not saying that people should carry in a theme park because shooting in a crowd is a bad idea even if you're trying to stop someone with a gun. Very few people, even police could accurately shoot in that situation. I am saying that this country is one where random violence is not uncommon, if you do not wish to be victim of violence but still wish to go about your life, you should be able to protect yourself if the need arises. It is not your business if someone chooses that method of protection. I do not carry my gun ever, I don't go where I don't feel safe but i understand that some people do feel that need. I would gladly share a bus seat or a park bench with someone who did.
Goofyernmost
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They have one giant official policy on that by saying "No Weapons Allowed". I understand that many people feel safe because they have a gun, however, the statistics have shown in the past, that you are not safer and in a situation like a Terrorist action, we all would be a lot less safe if some loose cannon were firing his weapon into a crowd. And if they didn't do that it would be like having a cap pistol instead of a gun. As a person that really doesn't fear things like that, I really would rather take my chances with a terrorist then to have bullets flying from all directions. The help from a private citizen that I crave is to not create situations that are worse then what we are dealing with anyway. Death from friendly fire is no less dead than from hostile people.