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Man Accused of Stealing Buzzy's Clothing from Disney World Arrested
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GhostlyGoofy
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Is it possible he would have gotten such a refurb before being Archived so he'd look nice and polished before going into a crate. Or do archived items get displayed?We saw pictures of scaffolding up around Buzzy in 2013, after he had been cleaned up/repainted. We've never had a clear answer as to what was being done to him, whether this was just his repainting or him being tested. His hands and fingers are in different positions in the scaffolding pics than pics of the next time we saw him, so it seems he was at least running a bit.
Also as I am inspecting these pics, I'm pretty sure the animatronic only has two fingers on his left hand, I guess because he doesn't use that hand during the show much beyond holding the lever so they didn't need a full articulated hand like his right is.Just interesting.
justintheharris
Well-Known Member
I absolutely believe you. It just makes the process a tad more difficult.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Because if you don't plead not guilty.. there is no challenge and (unless pre-arranged) no say in what the sentencing is. To plead guilty is to not fight at all and accept everything they throw at you.
Instead by pleading not guilty, the state will be forced to present their evidence, allow it to be challenged, and prove to the standard of a jury that the charges are correct and should stick.
flynnibus
Premium Member
What is more typical is...
State has say... 4 charges... maybe 2 really severe. Some may stick, some may not. To better their chance of landing an actual conviction, and get at least the minimum of what they want... they negotiate with the defendant to plead guilty to some of the charges, in exchange for dropping other charges and maybe a better outlook for sentencing.
But if you plead guilty up front.. that doesn't happen.
If they fight to the end, still maybe only some of the charges stick... but they are gambling and gambling on the sentencing. But still better than not fighting at all.
The standard to convict is way higher than to the standard to press charges. And the evidence in the case can be challenged... This is what lawyers are paid to do.
justintheharris
Well-Known Member
Definitely agree. I just think resistance is futile here.
My95cobras
Well-Known Member
Neither did oj.... but
GhostlyGoofy
Well-Known Member
That victim...View attachment 380802
Thank you Orlando Rising for keeping me in the know even if its with the mention of information that is infuriatingly private...
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Michael Eisner.
He's taking this WOL stuff personally.
glawio
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I am REALLY curious as to who the "victim" that needs their identity redacted is..?!?!
flynnibus
Premium Member
well... if you were the one facing multiple felonies and jail time.. I bet you'd prefer staying at home, not jail, and fighting until you had to actually concede there is no other option.
This isn't a 'hey, maybe spend a weekend in jail if you promise to be good from now on'. The kid is facing lifetime branding as a felon and potentially years of prison and/or probation.
You really think 'rolling over' is best?
A case can change radically if/when the evidence that can be presented changes or is successfully called into doubt.
GhostlyGoofy
Well-Known Member
I was reading past posts here. The affidavit mentioned girlfriends? Also I think someone said it's not illegal to buy stolen goods, only to traffic in stolen goods in FL. Maybe these are buyers, who don't want their info out?
Not sure where you get the shadow of a doubt thing.
The burden of proof in criminal cases is beyond a reasonable doubt.
muddyrivers
Well-Known Member
We saw pictures of scaffolding up around Buzzy in 2013, after he had been cleaned up/repainted. We've never had a clear answer as to what was being done to him, whether this was just his repainting or him being tested. His hands and fingers are in different positions in the scaffolding pics than pics of the next time we saw him, so it seems he was at least running a bit.
Also as I am inspecting these pics, I'm pretty sure the animatronic only has two fingers on his left hand, I guess because he doesn't use that hand during the show much beyond holding the lever so they didn't need a full articulated hand like his right is.
I seem to remember last summer (August?) someone had posted saying that Imagineering was in the theater and they were running the show including the Buzzy animatronic which led to speculation that further activity would be happening in the theater but we never heard anything more. That could be why there were differences in his hands and fingers
justintheharris
Well-Known Member
You're right but when the prosecution pretty much has every step of the crime documented through photographs as if Spikes was creating a HowTo page, would they really drop anything? It really doesn't seem like prosecution needs to negotiate anything.
Dead2009
Horror Movie Guru
You wont get in trouble if you didn't know the goods were stolen. If you did...well then you're screwed.
GhostlyGoofy
Well-Known Member
Yeah so far at least one buyer claimed they thought the sale of the dress was legit. I don't know how honest that is, and it would probably be resolved in a completely separate trial. Also don't know If buyers would be considered victims in this case. Just guessing.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
Not sure there is a difference!
ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
I think there is..."beyond a shadow of a doubt" means that there is no doubt whatsoever, or that one is certain of something. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means that there may be doubt, but evidence (or lack thereof) must be stronger than any doubt present.
Now, we could be super literal in our translation of these two phrases, in which case their meanings do become more similar...but the above are the commonly accepted meanings. Of course "reasonable" is open to individual interpretation, as what seems reasonable to one person may seem unreasonable to another.
NormC
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FTFY