Man Accused of Stealing Buzzy's Clothing from Disney World Arrested

[GhostlyGoofy]

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Thank you Orlando Rising for keeping me in the know even if its with the mention of information that is infuriatingly private...

That victim...
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Michael Eisner.
He's taking this WOL stuff personally.

 

[glawio]

That victim...
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Michael Eisner.
He's taking this WOL stuff personally.

Yeah, I am REALLY curious as to who the "victim" that needs their identity redacted is..?!?!

 

[flynnibus]

Definitely agree. I just think resistance is futile here.

well... if you were the one facing multiple felonies and jail time.. I bet you'd prefer staying at home, not jail, and fighting until you had to actually concede there is no other option.

This isn't a 'hey, maybe spend a weekend in jail if you promise to be good from now on'. The kid is facing lifetime branding as a felon and potentially years of prison and/or probation.

You really think 'rolling over' is best?

A case can change radically if/when the evidence that can be presented changes or is successfully called into doubt.

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

Yeah, I am REALLY curious as to who the "victim" that needs their identity redacted is..?!?!

I was reading past posts here. The affidavit mentioned girlfriends? Also I think someone said it's not illegal to buy stolen goods, only to traffic in stolen goods in FL. Maybe these are buyers, who don't want their info out?

 

[sndral]

...to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt"...

Not sure where you get the shadow of a doubt thing.
The burden of proof in criminal cases is beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[muddyrivers]

We saw pictures of scaffolding up around Buzzy in 2013, after he had been cleaned up/repainted. We've never had a clear answer as to what was being done to him, whether this was just his repainting or him being tested. His hands and fingers are in different positions in the scaffolding pics than pics of the next time we saw him, so it seems he was at least running a bit.

Also as I am inspecting these pics, I'm pretty sure the animatronic only has two fingers on his left hand, I guess because he doesn't use that hand during the show much beyond holding the lever so they didn't need a full articulated hand like his right is. Just interesting.

I seem to remember last summer (August?) someone had posted saying that Imagineering was in the theater and they were running the show including the Buzzy animatronic which led to speculation that further activity would be happening in the theater but we never heard anything more. That could be why there were differences in his hands and fingers

 

[justintheharris]

well... if you were the one facing multiple felonies and jail time.. I bet you'd prefer staying at home, not jail, and fighting until you had to actually concede there is no other option.

This isn't a 'hey, maybe spend a weekend in jail if you promise to be good from now on'. The kid is facing lifetime branding as a felon and potentially years of prison and/or probation.

You really think 'rolling over' is best?

A case can change radically if/when the evidence that can be presented changes or is successfully called into doubt.

You're right but when the prosecution pretty much has every step of the crime documented through photographs as if Spikes was creating a HowTo page, would they really drop anything? It really doesn't seem like prosecution needs to negotiate anything.

 

[Dead2009]

I was reading past posts here. The affidavit mentioned girlfriends? Also I think someone said it's not illegal to buy stolen goods, only to traffic in stolen goods in FL. Maybe these are buyers, who don't want their info out?

You wont get in trouble if you didn't know the goods were stolen. If you did...well then you're screwed.

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

You wont get in trouble if you didn't know the goods were stolen. If you did...well then you're screwed.

Yeah so far at least one buyer claimed they thought the sale of the dress was legit. I don't know how honest that is, and it would probably be resolved in a completely separate trial. Also don't know If buyers would be considered victims in this case. Just guessing.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Not sure where you get the shadow of a doubt thing.
The burden of proof in criminal cases is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Not sure there is a difference!

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Not sure there is a difference!

I think there is..."beyond a shadow of a doubt" means that there is no doubt whatsoever, or that one is certain of something. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means that there may be doubt, but evidence (or lack thereof) must be stronger than any doubt present.

Now, we could be super literal in our translation of these two phrases, in which case their meanings do become more similar...but the above are the commonly accepted meanings. Of course "reasonable" is open to individual interpretation, as what seems reasonable to one person may seem unreasonable to another.

 

[NormC]

Don’t know why they didn’t straight up remove him or Hypothalamus right then and there due to all the urb exers trespassers.

FTFY

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

Probably just laziness/cheapness on WDW's part.

Why move something if it's just collecting dust in the back?

Demo/removal is the costliest part of construction. It's why they're just sealing up the attraction rooms for the play Pavilion.

 

[larryz]

Probably just laziness/cheapness on WDW's part.

Why move something if it's just collecting dust in the back?

Well, with all that hydraulic fluid lurking there waiting to leak out into a ecological disaster, I can see an argument for removing it.

 

[Dragonman]

Even if the attraction spaces were used they would need a lot of work to bring them up to modern day standards. The ceiling in cranium command is literally collapsing.

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

Sadly all the big parks just factor paying OSHA fines for pollution into daily expenses of operation.

But also isn't Vegetable Oil primarily used for hydraulic fluid? I remember hearing stories of several guests getting sprayed with vegetable oil from the T Rex on the JP River ride.

 

[larryz]

Sadly all the big parks just factor paying OSHA fines for pollution into daily expenses of operation.

But also isn't Vegetable Oil primarily used for hydraulic fluid? I remember hearing stories of several guests getting sprayed with vegetable oil from the T Rex on the JP River ride.

No, that was the "Frying Like A Dinosaur" experience...

 

[glawio]

Sadly all the big parks just factor paying OSHA fines for pollution into daily expenses of operation.

But also isn't Vegetable Oil primarily used for hydraulic fluid? I remember hearing stories of several guests getting sprayed with vegetable oil from the T Rex on the JP River ride.

"Hydraulic fluid" is a kind of catchall term that really just means any fluid that is used for a hydraulic system. There are a multitude of types and they are usually either oil based or water based. Judging by the huge amount of staining on the screen directly underneath Buzzy as well as the photos of his spilled fluid, it appears his hydraulic fluid was oil-based.

On the subject,

Here's a tumblr post from 2012 (!) from a CM who worked at Cranium Command-- I've seen it mentioned elsewhere anecdotally that the AA had issues with leaking/spraying hydraulic fluid.

Whenever stuff with the fluid is mentioned I can't not think about when someone commented on one of BDD's posts and joked about him using Buzzy's hydraulic fluid as lube and he went along with it, I know it's not serious but its just burned into my mind

 

[Goofyernmost]

I think there is..."beyond a shadow of a doubt" means that there is no doubt whatsoever, or that one is certain of something. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means that there may be doubt, but evidence (or lack thereof) must be stronger than any doubt present.

Now, we could be super literal in our translation of these two phrases, in which case their meanings do become more similar...but the above are the commonly accepted meanings. Of course "reasonable" is open to individual interpretation, as what seems reasonable to one person may seem unreasonable to another.

I suppose that one doesn't have to be absolute about it. But, to me it is the same thing. 'Shadow' of a doubt means they were watched as it was happening or the gun belongs to them and he was caught in the act with it in his hand and pulling the trigger. Call it differently and you say that after all that common sense tells you that there is no reasonable doubt. Still guilty or not guilty depending on which of those two answers are given by the jury foreman.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

So like... can somebody who's well versed in law explain why Spikes plead not guilty? I can only attribute it to a massive display of arrogance and stupidity. Is there another strategy afoot here?

Easy, because whenever you are arrested and have to enter a plea, you ALWAYS plead not guilty...It puts the onus on the prosecution to convict. And, NO, I've never been arrested...LOL all you have to do is watch a few episodes of Law & Order...just ask OJ.