Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

Goofyernmost

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The AA's I don't mind. What I do mind is how they altered the story of the ride to revolve around Jack.
Not really. Yes, his name is mentioned but the just of the ride has not changed at all. A couple of minor points of dialog and the AA's are the only difference. The only scene that really changed at all was the final one. Everything else was just placed within the original theme. And even then, it still depicted a pirate (albeit Jack) with all the booty. Same story, just more specific characters.
 

wdwperry

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Sorry if this has already been answered but does anybody know if the refurb will be completed before the first week in October? PoTC has always been one of my favorite rides and I'd hate to miss out on it this trip.
 

Goofyernmost

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Your whole response was on the development of the attraction in the 1960s and 1970s, completely unaware that Pirates of Scaribbean came decades later.
Sorry, I don't follow you. Nothing I said had anything whatsoever to do with any connection to the Pirates of Scaribbean in my mind. None at all. So I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to say.
 

HMF

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Not really. Yes, his name is mentioned but the just of the ride has not changed at all. A couple of minor points of dialog and the AA's are the only difference. The only scene that really changed at all was the final one. Everything else was just placed within the original theme. And even then, it still depicted a pirate (albeit Jack) with all the booty. Same story, just more specific characters.
His name is mentioned SEVERAL times often within the space of a few sentences and the worst part is they use his full title of "Captain Jack Sparrow" invalidating a running gag from the movies where Jack is the only one to refer to himself by that title.
 

lazyboy97o

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Sorry, I don't follow you. Nothing I said had anything whatsoever to do with any connection to the Pirates of Scaribbean in my mind. None at all. So I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to say.
If you don't see any connection then why did you respond to my comment about it being a Disneyland exclusive with your unrelated history lesson? You're the one who tried to connect the two.
 

Matt_Black

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His name is mentioned SEVERAL times often within the space of a few sentences and the worst part is they use his full title of "Captain Jack Sparrow" invalidating a running gag from the movies where Jack is the only one to refer to himself by that title.

"Whenever Jack Sparrow's not in a scene, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's Jack Sparrow'?"
 

Goofyernmost

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If you don't see any connection then why did you respond to my comment about it being a Disneyland exclusive with your unrelated history lesson? You're the one who tried to connect the two.
I didn't realize that I did that. I was really commenting on the idea of exclusivity in general and get upset every time someone makes the statement that DL should have it's own things and WDW should have it's own things. On many levels I agree with that for some items, but, big ticket items (or E's as everyone is so fond of saying) should always be shared especially if they are really popular. It's a big world and it is silly to think that all anyone has to do to see them is go to location X and that is that. My comment was that I didn't really think that on any high level even Disney was rigid about that idea, especially after Disney Parks grew to the enormity that they did. So if I misunderstood your post, I apologize.
 

Monorail_Red_77

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By chance do you know if the simple but effective cloud projections/gobos that used to be on all of the ceilings of the ride (and all but vanished when they added Johnny Depp) may make a return? I've rode all the Pirates in all the parks, and Florida's version easily had the most effective ceiling because of those clouds. I was so bummed when they vanished.

Clouds were working in the ship scene right after the drop every time I have been on since at least January of this year. Mermaids too, while we are at it.

Though the mermaids were not on the ceilings. LOL

;)
 

MonorailLover

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@marni1971 Any chances of new animatronics replacing the older ones? I have only ridden it once in in the last 17 years, but we noticed the Jack Sparrow animatronic at the end of the ride looked considerably newer and had better motions than most of the other animatronic characters along the ride.

I would appreciate someone to back up my info, but I think Depp was actually "recorded" for that scene, similarly to who the old AA's were recorded in the 60s, just obviously with better technology. I believe that that natural recording of the ACTUAL actor from the actual movie made it more "life like" and true to the character.
 

doctornick

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The story goes, from the movie, I believe, that Jack was the Captain of the Black Pearl until they mutinied deserted him on an island, leaving him for dead. They did not know he survived until after the curse was in place, so why would they have been pursuing him at a time previous to it?

But it is a small point, so I can accept that. It is such a small part of the ride to begin with that it really isn't important and as I said... it was just a WAG to begin with.

Perhaps the ride takes place in an alternative universe to that of the movies.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I would appreciate someone to back up my info, but I think Depp was actually "recorded" for that scene, similarly to who the old AA's were recorded in the 60s, just obviously with better technology. I believe that that natural recording of the ACTUAL actor from the actual movie made it more "life like" and true to the character.
It's plausible, though the Jack AA's are also probably a newer model as well. I believe I read that some of the major AA's such as Jack were the newer A100 models (which were first used for the Witch in Great Movie Ride).

AA's such as Barbossa, Jack Sparrow and the Auctioneer are likely the A100 variety. They move far better than the rest. I suspect the other more minor figures in the ride are probably using older A1 endoskeletons. The minor ones may also be lacking compliance technology to enhance their movement (not sure, though I do think you can modify older A1's with compliance as well).

I could be wrong here though, not an expert on the matter.
 

TheScreed

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Those minor changes (and believe me they were minor) never have nor ever intended to be the defining thing about the ride. It was just playing off the success of the movie and to plus the ride to make it a tad more relevant and recognizable to the people that loved the movie. I've ridden the ride before and after many times and never once did I feel that the mood of the ride ever changed due to the addition of those AA's. It just gave it something recognizable.

Frankly, I have always thought that the mood of the ride is itself such an enormous contradiction that it's hard to imagine how minor plot edits could change that. What you are witnessing on the ride is horrible: theft, vandalism, slavery, torture, rape, and murder. An entire town of innocent people is destroyed by a gang of thugs who all deserve the death penalty for their crimes. Yet it all plays as great fun thanks to the music.

If anything, Jack Sparrow matches the mood of the ride. In the movies he is less of a violent criminal and more of a free-spirited bum. I think that matches the fun, bouncy mood that the ride is intended to give.
 

ParksAndPixels

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In the Parks
Yes
Ex MK Pirate here, as well.
I remember before the 2006 refurb, there were no intrusion beams or alarms on doors, so we were all very familiar with the backstage layout and how all the effects worked. We took a lot of pride in understanding how to keep the "show" at a high standard, whether it meant going over to something and quickly resetting/adjusting it ourselves, or contacting engineering right away to have it addressed ASAP. Once the intrusion and door alarms went in, CMs working the attraction were discouraged from ever being anywhere inside the ride envelope and the level of knowledge of how the ride and its effects worked went way down. We used to do ride throughs to check for animation and lighting and stuff, but because the newer people aren't really encouraged to know what to look for or know how to spot problems, they mostly go unreported now. I've heard that lately doing a ride through isn't a normal part of a MK Pirate CM's day like it used to be, now only really happening if there is a suspected problem that needs to be seen. We actually used to be assigned to ride through and check things out and that would happen several times a day. It's just a shame that the current Pirates CM team doesn't get the hands on knowledge they used to, so things like the 10x10s or the rain disco football could stop working and not even be noticed for long periods of time.

And I honestly miss this, seeing two CMs on any ride {Pirates or Living with the Land or even Spaceship Earth for examples} always meant the ride was in proper working order for me when I'd get on a bit later
For what it is worth, I've seen the same shift at other parks first hand as well... It's a sad trend.
 

MonorailLover

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It's plausible, though the Jack AA's are also probably a newer model as well. I believe I read that some of the major AA's such as Jack were the newer A100 models (which were first used for the Witch in Great Movie Ride).

AA's such as Barbossa, Jack Sparrow and the Auctioneer are likely the A100 variety. They move far better than the rest. I suspect the other more minor figures in the ride are probably using older A1 endoskeletons. The minor ones may also be lacking compliance technology to enhance their movement (not sure, though I do think you can modify older A1's with compliance as well).

I could be wrong here though, not an expert on the matter.

I believe I saw a video of him in a chair with them recording the movements.... I'll find it one day and post it here... I was thinking last night, and one thing I thought could be the best new AA would be to replace barbosa with Davy Jones. The tentacles would be so cool...
 

MotherOfBirds

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Honestly, I wish an expansion was a possibility. After riding Pirates at DLP, it was really hard to come back to the one I'd grown up with. If WDW's ride was the same size as DLP, I wouldn't mind (and may even encourage) the addition of Jack and various movie elements. As of right now, it feels like they're trying to cram as much brand recognition as they can into every available corner, which would be far more palatable if the ride was large enough to spread it all out.
 

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