Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I never said it was perfect. It does need maintenance even if nothing ever broke. It is long overdue. I just, personally, get tired of constantly hearing things like it's a mess, or the monorails are disgusting or some other thing is almost ready to junk, when most of that opinion comes from that moment in time that I mentioned. The Monorails are smelly. Funny, you know that one of the first things I noticed on the Monorails back in 1983 was that particular odor that they had. You know what, when I get on them like I did this year, that same odor hits my senses and flashes me back to then. What people are describing as "awful" are their scent. Something inherent to the rails. When they find some garbage on the trains, it's Disney doesn't do a good job. The consideration that the group that got off the train as they were getting on might have left whatever they see. No, it's Disney has failed when the chances are it is the Guest that has failed and created the problem that is now blamed on Disney. That's just one example, there are many.

In some cases they are correct. PoTC is pushing 40 years old and it has been running almost constantly for all those years. It needs to have stuff replaced that has worn out with time an usage. It has nothing to do with the neglect unless you consider the uproar that happens on this very board when it gets closed for repair. You'd think someone had just had a kid taken away or something. There was a post earlier about how upset people, the same people that complain about the condition of things, are because of the construction going on. Yet, Disney isn't doing anything. There is a major conflict involved with all of that. It just gets tedious, is all!

It seemed like Disney did more preventative maintenance back in the day & there seemed to be more rehabs. Generally in the off-season. When we had an off-season.

The flip side to that is when you have 50-60k guests a day going to MK, they're going to want to ride POTC, HM, iasw, etc. A lot are first time/ once in a life time guests and they want to ride that one ride.

Disney can't win either way, but when things are ignored/pushed back over and over, they run into problems like the way POTC is today.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
It seemed like Disney did more preventative maintenance back in the day & there seemed to be more rehabs. Generally in the off-season. When we had an off-season.

The flip side to that is when you have 50-60k guests a day going to MK, they're going to want to ride POTC, HM, iasw, etc. A lot are first time/ once in a life time guests and they want to ride that one ride.

Disney can't win either way, but when things are ignored/pushed back over and over, they run into problems like the way POTC is today.
Some rides I get that.

I completely understand why lots of Jungle Cruise would be very difficult to do regular maintenance on.

But, for a ride like Pirates? I don't understand why they can't keep it up better throughout the year. Even doing it in "sections" with shorter "outages" instead of multi-month downtime. They only reason why I think multi-month downtimes should be required is if they need to drain the sucker and do track work.

All of those animatronics should have test programming for articulations (I know the animatronics I supported did). It's a lot easier to replace a cylinder early as it starts to fail rather than later, when you run the risk that it starts to wear the frame and joints.

I'm sure maintenance does the best that it can, but I wish it was a bit more pro-active. It seems to me they basically "refurb" for several months, then allow the thing to more or less rot for 3 - 5 years before it gets so bad they can't ignore it anymore, and they "refurb" it again.

And, to your other point, I am a bit sad it will be closed during my trip. PoTC is a must do for me.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Some rides I get that.

I completely understand why lots of Jungle Cruise would be very difficult to do regular maintenance on.

But, for a ride like Pirates? I don't understand why they can't keep it up better throughout the year. Even doing it in "sections" with shorter "outages" instead of multi-month downtime. They only reason why I think multi-month downtimes should be required is if they need to drain the sucker and do track work.

All of those animatronics should have test programming for articulations (I know the animatronics I supported did). It's a lot easier to replace a cylinder early as it starts to fail rather than later, when you run the risk that it starts to wear the frame and joints.

I'm sure maintenance does the best that it can, but I wish it was a bit more pro-active. It seems to me they basically "refurb" for several months, then allow the thing to more or less rot for 3 - 5 years before it gets so bad they can't ignore it anymore, and they "refurb" it again.

And, to your other point, I am a bit sad it will be closed during my trip. PoTC is a must do for me.

I know that back in the day, CM's in tower could "down" the ride due to bad animation. Recently as mid-2000s.

I suspect thats not the case anymore.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
...then allow the thing to more or less rot for 3 - 5 years

sounds familiar :(

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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
It seemed like Disney did more preventative maintenance back in the day & there seemed to be more rehabs. Generally in the off-season. When we had an off-season.

The flip side to that is when you have 50-60k guests a day going to MK, they're going to want to ride POTC, HM, iasw, etc. A lot are first time/ once in a life time guests and they want to ride that one ride.

Disney can't win either way, but when things are ignored/pushed back over and over, they run into problems like the way POTC is today.
Dave, you could very well be correct, but, the word 'seemed' is key here. What always needs to be factored in to 'back in the day' is that the stuff was all new back then. Judging from the amount of times it seems to be down now it may be getting more maintenance now then ever before. Everything must be factored in when making those hard judgements.

You also hit the nail on the head when you speak of the numbers that get all verklempt if the damn thing is closed. I wouldn't take the job of maintenance manager at WDW for all the money in the world. Talk about nightmares.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Dave, you could very well be correct, but, the word 'seemed' is key here. What always needs to be factored in to 'back in the day' is that the stuff was all new back then. Judging from the amount of times it seems to be down now it may be getting more maintenance now then ever before. Everything must be factored in when making those hard judgements.

You also hit the nail on the head when you speak of the numbers that get all verklempt if the damn thing is closed. I wouldn't take the job of maintenance manager at WDW for all the money in the world. Talk about nightmares.
They do get a bum rap. Darned if you do, darned if you don't.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I'm starting to see "dire condition" being described for several attractions these days... that is sad.... what's even worse is Disney's description is likely "it's good enough"
I think it may be more of "it has to be good enough, for now". If they disappoint 1000's of people because of a couple of spastic chickens can you imagine the uproar? The world (in any sense of the word) was a much better place before people showed up. If people travel 1000's of miles (which they do) and Splash Mountain is there favorite and have been looking forward to riding it, they do not want to hear that they cannot enjoy the ride because one tenth of one percent of the show is malfunctioning. That is a purists problem only.

Does that reflect a change in Disney's attitude? It certainly does and it also reflects a general change in the public's attitude as well. To be honest, I have no doubt that even Walt would have had to bend to the demand of the public. In his time the best attendance that DL had in a week was probably equal to one day currently at MK.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I think it may be more of "it has to be good enough, for now". If they disappoint 1000's of people because of a couple of spastic chickens can you imagine the uproar? The world (in any sense of the word) was a much better place before people showed up. If people travel 1000's of miles (which they do) and Splash Mountain is there favorite and have been looking forward to riding it, they do not want to hear that they cannot enjoy the ride because one tenth of one percent of the show is malfunctioning. That is a purists problem only.

Does that reflect a change in Disney's attitude? It certainly does and it also reflects a general change in the public's attitude as well. To be honest, I have no doubt that even Walt would have had to bend to the demand of the public. In his time the best attendance that DL had in a week was probably equal to one day currently at MK.
Then why doesn't Disney let their licensee adapt to the times?
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Then why doesn't Disney let their licensee adapt to the times?
Perhaps their licensee doesn't want too. I think you are talking about TDL, if I'm wrong I'm sorry. Different Culture, different place, different population. Apples and Oranges! If it were true that they won't let them adapt, it is somehow in conflict with the idea that Disney doesn't care. Are there two different Disney top managements. How do the two mix? If they don't adapt to different cultures how is it all going to work to ultimate success. Besides, once they license to let another company represent they have to contract in extremes to make sure that the reputation is not harmed by a group even worse then ours. TDL is a diamond under the umbrella of Disney. A very lucky find for Disney. I doubt that they ever have to say anything to TDL.

Believe me I am not advocating that Disney allow things to degrade even to the point that it already has, but, TDL is run by and acclimated to a culture that is much different then ours. Like it or not, that is how it is. You don't have to stop someone from doing something that they have no intention of doing to begin with. I think they have it right over there, however, there are a different set of situations between the two locations, true even between the east and west coast of our own country.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
The world (in any sense of the word) was a much better place before people showed up.

The world was a much better place before twitter and Facebook and cell phones documenting everything everyone sees.

I don't believe these problems just all started I believe the culture has changed and now everything is documented for everyone to see. So bad conditions bad service get blasted across social media instantly.

Makes everything seam so much worse.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Perhaps their licensee doesn't want too. I think you are talking about TDL, if I'm wrong I'm sorry. Different Culture, different place, different population. Apples and Oranges! If it were true that they won't let them adapt, it is somehow in conflict with the idea that Disney doesn't care. Are there two different Disney top managements. How do the two mix? If they don't adapt to different cultures how is it all going to work to ultimate success. Besides, once they license to let another company represent they have to contract in extremes to make sure that the reputation is not harmed by a group even worse then ours. TDL is a diamond under the umbrella of Disney. A very lucky find for Disney. I doubt that they ever have to say anything to TDL.

Believe me I am not advocating that Disney allow things to degrade even to the point that it already has, but, TDL is run by and acclimated to a culture that is much different then ours. Like it or not, that is how it is. You don't have to stop someone from doing something that they have no intention of doing to begin with. I think they have it right over there, however, there are a different set of situations between the two locations, true even between the east and west coast of our own country.
Tokyo Disney Resort is held to a contract that dictates terms of operation that Disney considers outdated and irrelevant. Culture doesn't change the contract and Disney's two-faced reminders of it.
 

007mickey

Well-Known Member
The world was a much better place before twitter and Facebook and cell phones documenting everything everyone sees.

I don't believe these problems just all started I believe the culture has changed and now everything is documented for everyone to see. So bad conditions bad service get blasted across social media instantly.

Makes everything seam so much worse.

You are definitely on to something. Social media has brought everything to the forefront. No doubt things were never without fault "back in the good ol' days" but how was everyone going to hear about it? Attendance numbers and operating hours have also changed dramatically since those days too. But you know what, Disney created this "gold standard" and they are the ones that have to manage it.

Can they hire more people to maintain/manage the resort? I'm sure they can and probably should but hiring folks that care, are skilled and take pride in their work is harder to find these days (I'm in construction and this is definitely a problem). But that's no excuse, if you don't like the culture of your employees, change the culture.

How many people want rides closed down when they go? None do of course but with longer operating hours and more wear and tear than ever, Disney has their hands full. Clearly many of the issues we see today could have been prevented with maintenance with little or no disruption to the customer but due to money, manpower and management, things have slipped and there is no denying that.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
You are definitely on to something. Social media has brought everything to the forefront. No doubt things were never without fault "back in the good ol' days" but how was everyone going to hear about it? Attendance numbers and operating hours have also changed dramatically since those days too. But you know what, Disney created this "gold standard" and they are the ones that have to manage it.

Can they hire more people to maintain/manage the resort? I'm sure they can and probably should but hiring folks that care, are skilled and take pride in their work is harder to find these days (I'm in construction and this is definitely a problem). But that's no excuse, if you don't like the culture of your employees, change the culture.

How many people want rides closed down when they go? None do of course but with longer operating hours and more wear and tear than ever, Disney has their hands full. Clearly many of the issues we see today could have been prevented with maintenance with little or no disruption to the customer but due to money, manpower and management, things have slipped and there is no denying that.


Agreed and well said.... With the needs of the guest and the longer park hours etc it is harder to take things off line but they need to do a better job of preventative work and keeping things new on the rides.

I think the bigger issue is that when they know a ride is going to get a long refurb they pull back some on that ride as it is going to get the attention it needs. That is not and should not be acceptable though.

I am fine with the older rides being closed for 6-8 months as they do need the love of nearly 50 years of wear has put on them.

Back to guest today we have no clue how often rides went down in the golden ages as their were no apps etc to let anyone sitting at home know the stuff is down.... Just those park guest in the park that day saw it.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
so what happened? I was of the understanding it got weathered pretty bad and rather than repair/reuse...they junked?

Which is not correct whatsoever.

It was a money issue. In order to bring the parade up to show spec it would've cost 6-7 figures is what I was told.

Without blowing my source, The floats would have been easily able to be brought back up to spec if they wanted to spend the money.
 

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