Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

Sped2424

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Original Poster
So this ride is going to be fixed and refurb so what is the wish list on what happens?

What can they do in this time frame? Then what additions would you like to see added?
From what I have heard I wouldn't expect anything in terms of additions. This is a fixer upper on the deepest scale from the mechanics to the existing effects.Something akin to what the jungle cruise got in 2013 but with an emphasis on the ride system.
 

lukacseven

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POC definitely had some show glitches in January. The vapor curtain/projection wasn't working and the pirate ship scene was weak - sound was low and barely any splashes in the water. I always felt like that part of the ride should be more immersive - loud booms, flashes of light and water splashing everywhere. Hope they add some intensity there.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Oh Disney, what a surprise, more budget cuts and maintenance reductions...

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What new idiocy are apologists going to give for this one? Meanwhile at Disneyland's 60th anniversary celebration...
 

Goofyernmost

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Oh Disney, what a surprise, more budget cuts and maintenance reductions...

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What new idiocy are apologists going to give for this one? Meanwhile at Disneyland's 60th anniversary celebration...
Due to the fact that those that you call "apologists" are not hardcore tunnel-visioned people like you and your crew, we probably have nothing to say because we don't know what that means. You don't either, but, it doesn't stop you from condemning it. I can assure you that if it come out a mess, I will not be defending it. However, unlike yourself, my ability to see into the future is clouded by common sense and the knowledge that I am sadly uninformed about the reasons why. I am equally hampered by the fact that Disney forget to fax the plans to me for my approval. You apparently do not have that problem, congrats!
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Except that we've been told by insiders that the ride needed WAY more time than it was receiving already to bring the show up to proper safety and show standards. Now that already too short period of downtime is likely ANOTHER month shorter, I cannot imagine this being nearly enough time to get the ride up to spec again. And I see no reason to keep sucking up to them and having faith trust and pixie dust that they'll surprise us for a change, especially since the Space Mountain debacle. The only recent miracle of a decent refurb has been Splash Mountain, but it's by far the extremely rare exception to the rule of refurbs.

I hope Steve is wrong here (no offense Steve), but common sense doesn't leave much room for hope in regards to WDW these days.
 
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Goofyernmost

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Except that we've been told by insiders that the ride needed WAY more time than it was receiving already to bring the show up to proper safety and show standards. Now that already subpar period is potentially another month shorter, I cannot imagine this being nearly enough time to get the ride up to spec again. And I see no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore, especially since the Space Mountain debacle.
The insiders may well be correct, but they might also be wrong. We will know soon enough and there may be a legitimate reason for concern. But, was there any real need to name call at this stage just to put others with different outlooks then yourself down? The point is, it doesn't matter what any of our concerns are right now, we will either be wrong or on the money with the end result... then we can see who has reason to defend and who has reason to condemn. Until then it is a matter of wonder, but, it is not based on fact YET!
 
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MerlinTheGoat

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I have very little patience for apologists after the messy topics about what was done to the Polynesian lobby and especially recently the decaying monorails. If you want to view the glass as half full, go ahead. I'd love to be wrong. But I err on the side of caution and put my faith in people here who actually know far more about the company and its inner workings than any of us (whether we be apologists or pessimists). It's far safer than throwing caution to the wind by having faith that the infamously maintenance averse and profit driven WDW executives will thaw their hearts and do something good for the guest experience for a change. It's setting yourself up for failure and isn't worth the incredibly high risk of letdown, we've been burned far too many times.

I recall someone of some knowledge mentioning that POTC needed at least 6 months (may have been longer, but I do think i recall that number being tossed around). We got a disturbingly slim fraction of that time, and now it may be substantially shorter than that. I have to worry...
 

wdisney9000

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Due to the fact that those that you call "apologists" are not hardcore tunnel-visioned people like you and your crew, we probably have nothing to say because we don't know what that means. You don't either, but, it doesn't stop you from condemning it. I can assure you that if it come out a mess, I will not be defending it. However, unlike yourself, my ability to see into the future is clouded by common sense and the knowledge that I am sadly uninformed about the reasons why. I am equally hampered by the fact that Disney forget to fax the plans to me for my approval. You apparently do not have that problem, congrats!
There are only two reasonable options to consider. 1. Disney dramatically increased the budget to have the refurb done more quickly. Or, 2. They hacked an entire month off the refurb and the attraction will get less repair than it needs which could only result in more issues down the road.

There may be other reasons, but I dont see how any of them could be a GOOD one that results in POTC being better.
 

lazyboy97o

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The insiders may well be correct, but they might also be wrong. We will know soon enough and there may be a legitimate reason for concern. But, was there any real need to name call at this stage just put others with different outlooks then yourself down? The point is, it doesn't matter what any of our concerns are right now, we will either be wrong or on the money with the end result... then we can see who has reason to defend and who has reason to condemn. Until then it is a matter of wonder, but, it is not based on fact YET!
You not knowing the facts doesn't change whether or not they are facts. The situation is or is not as described; that does not change based on what you know.
 

Goofyernmost

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There are only two reasonable options to consider. 1. Disney dramatically increased the budget to have the refurb done more quickly. Or, 2. They hacked an entire month off the refurb and the attraction will get less repair than it needs which could only result in more issues down the road.

There may be other reasons, but I dont see how any of them could be a GOOD one that results in POTC being better.
Nor do I, but, I also don't know the end result yet. That's not my gripe anyway. Mine is with calling people apologists before there is anything to apologize for. That needs to stop. If I like something, I would never apologize for my liking it no matter who the "insiders" are. I'll let you know if I like it. I will also let you know if I don't. Either way it will not be an apology, nor is anyone else's defense of something when they see a possible different reasonable reason. Think about how upset everyone gets when someone calls them a gloom and doomer. There is no difference other then direction of opinion.
 

Goofyernmost

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You not knowing the facts doesn't change whether or not they are facts. The situation is or is not as described; that does not change based on what you know.
Nothing is a fact until it happens. Before that it is mere speculation. No more correct then any other until proven. I am not talking about the shortening of the time (you apparently are), I am talking about the results of that change and that is a long way from fact at this point. It's just what you think it is going to mean. You may be right or you might not be, we will know when they are done. In the meantime there is nothing we can do about it anyway. If they have shortened the time (and I have no reason to not believe that) all that really matters is how it ends up.
 

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