Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I doubt the comment meant they should change their designs to a more realistic human appearance, but rather upgrade the internal robotics to allow better movement. Jack is said to be a compliant A100 animatronic, a much newer and immensely more smooth moving animatronic than most of the older AA models still used in the rest of the ride. I've also read that the auctioneer was upgraded to an A100 frame back with compliant hydraulic motion during the time when Jack was added to the ride, though he obviously retains his original design from the original ride. WDI also showed off a new A100 Hatbox Ghost at D23 using his own original goofy design as well (rumored to be coming to Disneyland's Haunted Mansion in the future, perhaps WDW's as well if we're lucky). So you can upgrade the movement of older AA figures while still remaining loyal to the artistic design of the original figures.
The Auctioneer at Disneyland has a long history of being the latest and greatest. Even with upgrades, Jack a Sparrow would still be off because he is not stylized the same way as the other pirates.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
But that's why he stands out. All the other AAs are cartoony, which washow they were designed. Change them all like Jack and theyll look odd.

To they average park guest, the old AAs look odd. To the WDW park enthusiast, Jack Sparrow looks odd. It can't work out both ways.. It should really either be one or the other. But, it's not a major issue. I just personally wish it was one or the other.. Not classic AAs blending with one character that's lifelike.
 

note2001

Well-Known Member
Animatronic. And darker.

I think animatronics swimming next to the boat would spook many folks, not just kids.

When we rode Pirates last summer (only got one ride in as it was down the rest of the trip) the projections in the water were quite bright, Although it was hard to tell what they were exactly, if you knew what they were it was clear enough.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I think animatronics swimming next to the boat would spook many folks, not just kids.

When we rode Pirates last summer (only got one ride in as it was down the rest of the trip) the projections in the water were quite bright, Although it was hard to tell what they were exactly, if you knew what they were it was clear enough.
Not swimming. Appearing to be coming out of the water.
 

RayTheFirefly

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The designs of the pirates should remain the same. Jack is an intrusion to the style, the entire ride should not have to change to cater towards HIS intrusive design. Just upgrade the AA technology but maintain the original goofy style.
Were the pirates intended to be goofy/cartoony? I was always under the impression that they were going for realism, but the technology of the time only allowed for what they ended up looking like. The amount of detail seems like they tried to be sort of realistic, at least. The dirty foot/hair leg at the end comes to mind. I'm no expert though haha.
 

JasonDeyoung

Well-Known Member
One of my favorites and I'll be sad to see it down for so long but let's all be honest, it needs some major TLC right now so hopefully it's true it's getting a good refurb to get it back on track
 

hokielutz

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You're probably right. I can only speak to when I rode it. The back row was closed off. Even if they allow the back row again, it doesn't change my point that during the lengthy refurb, I can envision new boats introduced that, along with no longer getting stuck, have the end extended.


What ever happened to personal responsibility??
Isn't there a notice at most attractions to keep your hands and arms inside the ride at all times? This was a case of stupidity on the part of the rider.
Also if you extend the back end... then the front will also have to have enough buffer so you can't touch the font edge. Then extend the sides of the boat, so stupid people can't touch the sides or reach down into the water.
And while we are at it.... be sure to put in extremely large padded lap bars, so that only people who are less than 150 lbs and 5'4" can comfortably ride.
Boat occupancy will effectively be reduce to a single column of 4 people.
 

Progress.City

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Do you know why TDA cares and TDO doesn't? There once was a time when TDA didn't care and attendence took a nose dive until they got there act together. Well, TDO doesn't care because people are dumb here in Florida and keep coming back.

How to fix it

Stop going! Let attencence drop until they decide to do something about it like TDA did! This is the biggest no-brainer in the history of mankind!
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Were the pirates intended to be goofy/cartoony? I was always under the impression that they were going for realism, but the technology of the time only allowed for what they ended up looking like. The amount of detail seems like they tried to be sort of realistic, at least. The dirty foot/hair leg at the end comes to mind. I'm no expert though haha.
Absolutely intentional, the pirates were most certainly designed to look cartoonish. Marc Davis' original concept art showed very comical facial features and expressions that aren't remotely realistic, and the figures were designed after his designs. Here are some samples, all the others are similar in nature (even the redhead beauty looks fresh out of a Disney animated movie)-

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It had nothing to do with technology limitations, creating more realistic human figures was well within Disney's capability by that time. The Carousel of Progress and Lincoln exhibits at the Worlds Fair both predated POTC by three years. But the human animatronic figures in those two attractions were designed specifically to look more realistic compared to Marc Davis' pirate designs (Lincoln in particular is reported at the time as actually fooling a good number of people into thinking it was an actor instead of an animatronic).

Similarly, the far newer World of Motion ride at EPCOT was also deliberately designed with somewhat comical human animatronic figures similar to those in POTC (I believe Marc Davis also designed the characters in Motion). And it, like POTC, had a more comical side to it. Whereas American Adventure, Spaceship Earth and Horizons (two of which were designed, built and opened at the same time Motion was) all utilized realistic human exterior features.
 
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pumpkin7

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Absolutely intentional, the pirates were most certainly designed to look cartoonish. Marc Davis' original concept art showed very comical facial features and expressions that aren't remotely realistic, and the figures were designed after his designs. Here are some samples, all the others are similar in nature (even the redhead beauty looks fresh out of a Disney animated movie)-

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It had nothing to do with technology limitations, creating more realistic human figures was well within Disney's capability by that time. The Carousel of Progress and Lincoln exhibits at the Worlds Fair both predated POTC by three years. But the human animatronic figures in those two attractions were designed specifically to look more realistic compared to Marc Davis' pirate designs (Lincoln in particular is reported at the time as actually fooling a good number of people into thinking it was an actor instead of an animatronic).

Similarly, the far newer World of Motion ride at EPCOT was also deliberately designed with somewhat comical human animatronic figures similar to those in POTC (I believe Marc Davis also designed the characters in Motion). And it, like POTC, had a more comical side to it. Whereas American Adventure, Spaceship Earth and Horizons (two of which were designed, built and opened at the same time Motion was) all utilized realistic human exterior features.

I miss the original Blackbeard.
 

BIlder

New Member
My first time in Disney World was the year after it opened. I have only been there 3 times since then, the last time 16 years ago. At that time, my kids were introduced to POTC and it has always been one of my favorite rides. I will be going back in June, with my kids and now their kids, and am very disappointed in some of the comments in this thread about closing POC....very cavalier. There are many that are very fortunate in that they get to visit DW many times....others are not so lucky. If the ride is closed for six months leading up to Christmas, no problem as they will just hit it next time. This may be my last trip, and I want to see my grandkids enjoy it! If the ride needs repairs, then they should start in January when crowds are lower as not too many people take vacations then....at least not as many that vacation during the prime spring/summer months. To me, even a "bad worn down" POC ride beats not having one to enjoy at all. So please be a little more sensitive for us who can't visit several times year, or even every couple of years.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Do you know why TDA cares and TDO doesn't? There once was a time when TDA didn't care and attendence took a nose dive until they got there act together. Well, TDO doesn't care because people are dumb here in Florida and keep coming back.

How to fix it

Stop going! Let attencence drop until they decide to do something about it like TDA did! This is the biggest no-brainer in the history of mankind!

Not to mention people getting killed on BTMRR
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
Do you know why TDA cares and TDO doesn't? There once was a time when TDA didn't care and attendence took a nose dive until they got there act together. Well, TDO doesn't care because people are dumb here in Florida and keep coming back.

How to fix it

Stop going! Let attencence drop until they decide to do something about it like TDA did! This is the biggest no-brainer in the history of mankind!
The typical audience still thinks things are great. You wouldn't believe how many people looked at me like I was nuts when I said that Disney world was much worse now than it was 10 years ago.
 

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