I'm going to quote this because everyone seems to be ignoring it.I think it's pretty obvious why the trees were removed
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Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom
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MerlinTheGoat
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You're being ignored because it has been posted a few times by insiders here that TDO turned down a Dreams variant when it was up for consideration a while back (can't recall who said this, may have been Lee or Martin), per their usual agenda of refusing anything that looks remotely cool and value engineering the heck out of anything their tantrums couldn't stop from happening. So it's hard to see any real benefit to have the trees gone thus far. The trees have been gone for over a decade though regardless, so that definitely wasn't why they were cut down originally. And given the choice between a projection show and the original Main Street foliage, i'd take the foliage any day. I was never unsatisfied with the previous format of night entertainment, a cool impressive traditional fireworks show along with a good night parade (preferably something more like an updated Spectromagic ala Dreamlights instead of the addling and ancient MSEP) are still as awesome as ever and infinitely preferable to me, impressive and tangible night entertainment that don't ruin the beauty of the day time scenery.
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Sage of Time
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Have you been on SDMT, yet? It's far too short but I wouldn't call it a C Ticket or comparable to Great Goofini. It does have scenes and actual thematic integrity, after all. Goofini is just a exposed coaster.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
I have - the queue is the best part, The single show scene is there and gone, You are left with the feeling 'was that all..' at the end. Like Goofini there is no re-ride value, I've done it and I'm not a thrill ride fan and even I was bored.
It's pretty I'll give you that but it's not the E-ticket that NFL needed.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Ah one of the relentless defenders of the mediocre has chimed in, 7DMT is indeed a C ticket, Disney was too cheap and/or lazy to even do a fully figured AA and they used a projection. Now what is a projection its a SCREEN with a remote image/light source. I guess when Disney uses SCREENS they are MAGICal, but when anyone else uses them they are bad.
The sad thing is 7DMT COULD have been an E-Ticket if it had the longer track and all the show scenes which were in the original concept art.
The sad thing is 7DMT COULD have been an E-Ticket if it had the longer track and all the show scenes which were in the original concept art.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Natural beauty of the park? Exactly which trees were present in this area before Walt purchased the land...?
It's the land of make-believe. Nothing is natural. It's all a show. You need to let it go...
A few cypress and swamp oak, But NOTHING at the MK is natural, Much of the MK is a upper level of a massive show building known as the utilidors and most of the dirt to build it was excavated from Bay Lake and Seven Seas Lagoon.
That being said the original landscaping was far lusher than what currently remains.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
I call them equivalent because both are short one and done rides, I've ridden each once and I have no desire to ride either of them again, They both leave you with the 'Is that all there is ???' feeling Not like PotC or even TSMM which make you want to ride again and again. Or the beloved SWSA which was a must do.
How many times did guests steal the poisoned apple before WDI replaced it with a holographic one. Not a projection a HOLOGRAM that was cutting edge even now.
It just seems WDW is not trying to be amazing anymore.
PS
For the pedantic a hologram is a form of projection caused by optical interference. But it's a 3D image which can be viewed at all angles not a 2D image on reflective surface.
Sage of Time
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Certainly not what FLE needed at all. FLE needed a centerpiece visually and in terms of content. It only got the former.
I will say that the coaster portions, especially that drop right out of the gate, are pretty fun.
The one scene in SDMT has some pretty great AAs that USE projection technology for some of the more animated features. What are you talking about?
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
I refer explicitly to that, The Japanese are fielding robotic receptionists which look 'human' at first glance, Disney certainly could have come up with a AA with a fully articulated face instead of using a projection.
Sage of Time
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Creepy.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Yes but It's really a fully realized AA and for decades TWDC's AA's were frankly amazing as to what they could do especially in the HoP or Mr Lincoln, With stuff like this in the real world WDI needs something better than a marionette with a projected face.
jakeman
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Uncanny Valley
Goofyernmost
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Stop it.. your making sense and we just cannot have that!!!! Someone will be at your door shortly to take you to a closed dark room until you realize just how wrong your are. But, feel good because your time in that small room will make you far more able to expect things to happen then most solid earth based humans would know better then to expect. The following seem to be relevant here again.
That was the point I tried to make. When it first opened, the trees were small, and it looked very park like. The pictures from 1991 look like very overgrown trees to me. Now we have a "hub reset" so to speak, and 20 years from now, it will be grown in again. Oh, here is a pic from just a few years ago.I keep reading how lush Magic Kingdom used to be. I've seen pics posted here from the 80's and later, but I don't recall seeing any from opening day. My first visit was in 76, and I don't have any photos, and I don't have a strong memory of what the park looked like back then.
So... I decided to search the internet and found some very cool sites. I found an opening day pic from Life magazine, original brochures, pics of rides I remember, but are no more (Story book, Skyway, Mr Toad, Davy Crockett Canoes, 20K), and many other cool old pics.
And, while I did not find pictures of many large trees like we see in pics from the 80's, the layout of the hub and assorted trees they have are nice looking. Definitely very park-like. I actually prefer the smaller, fewer trees as seen in the opening, to the overgrown look from later years. Personally, I think the new expanded hub brings back a park-like feel, but needs some time for trees to mature. Of course, YMMV
Anyway, here are a few links that have pics of the hub just before the opening in 71, dedication day, and some other photos from 71. Enjoy!
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...f/fe/Magic_Kingdom_Construction_(08-1971).jpg
http://disneyshawn.blogspot.com/2011/05/flashback-magic-kingdom-dedication-day.html
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2013/02/rare-1971-walt-disney-world-aerial-pics.html
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2013/03/rare-wdw-magic-kingdom-circa-1971_5.html
Looks park like to me.
Goofnut1980
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I am the same about thrill rides - and I was more than underwhelmed when we rode 7DMT in December!
WDF
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Please do.
MissM
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So we went to DL a few years ago. Here is a pic of the castle from up Main Street:
It looks a lot like WDW from the 90's. So someone explain to me how the trees at DL, which were planted in the 50's are still this short???? Have they been replaced with smaller trees at one point, and allowed to regrow, maybe? Maybe kinda like what is happening in WDW now?
Next is a picture of the hub:
Hmm, looks pretty much like the concrete wasteland that people have accused the current WDW hub to be, and this was just a few years ago.
I really think this is a lot of "perspective" issues with some of the pictures. Some make it look barren, some make it look more lush.
It looks a lot like WDW from the 90's. So someone explain to me how the trees at DL, which were planted in the 50's are still this short???? Have they been replaced with smaller trees at one point, and allowed to regrow, maybe? Maybe kinda like what is happening in WDW now?
Next is a picture of the hub:
Hmm, looks pretty much like the concrete wasteland that people have accused the current WDW hub to be, and this was just a few years ago.
I really think this is a lot of "perspective" issues with some of the pictures. Some make it look barren, some make it look more lush.
Cesar R M
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trees everywhere.. claims is still a concrete wasteland
really?
I think the cheer size of the WDW's hub concrete areas (in size) vs Disneyland's is like 4x.