Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom

Monorail_Red_77

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I am sure the difference is that these towers also included lights and other mechanicals.
Yes, most likely. The Rapunzel tower is more of a statue compare to the castle turrets. The castle turrets are basically small buildings as they house electrical, data, lighting as well as control booth for various castle shows. Even the two smaller turrets that are being installed now, closer to the castle still have lighting and other electrical stuff inside. Probably easier access to install internal equipment, cabling and less chance of damaging the final exterior of the turrets by installing them this way.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
The hub was great this week during my trip. I was able to move around during shows and get to the other side of the park no issues. I was able to actually see a parade with out people falling over me.

Hey would I love so,ex more trees heck Ya! But the hub is a huge plus for the park and for traffic and entertainment purposes.

People complaining about it need to realize their park has to change has to no way it cannot! Fireworks light shows parades etc is part of what disney is and this makes all of those way way better.

Riigghhtt, Turn the Hub into a blazingly hot shadeless concrete wasteland for 12 hours all for 30 minutes of nighttime entertainment yeah that's a great trade...
 

psuchad

Active Member
Riigghhtt, Turn the Hub into a blazingly hot shadeless concrete wasteland for 12 hours all for 30 minutes of nighttime entertainment yeah that's a great trade...

If I wanted to stand in the sun, I would do it in my back yard. It would save me a lot of money too. The point is that Disney is a company. Companies exist to make money. A shaded hub makes zero profit during the day. A open space for fireworks viewing makes money on those glowing gadgets they sell as well as other revenue streams. It is the same concept as FastPass. You make the company zero dollars waiting in line. Making the hub hot and uncomfortable will force people to move to the outer profit making parts of the park. I am not saying that was their reasoning, but a nice little perk for maximizing profits at night.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
If I wanted to stand in the sun, I would do it in my back yard. It would save me a lot of money too. The point is that Disney is a company. Companies exist to make money. A shaded hub makes zero profit during the day. A open space for fireworks viewing makes money on those glowing gadgets they sell as well as other revenue streams. It is the same concept as FastPass. You make the company zero dollars waiting in line. Making the hub hot and uncomfortable will force people to move to the outer profit making parts of the park. I am not saying that was their reasoning, but a nice little perk for maximizing profits at night.

Amazing how WDW was run as a non-profit until Iger came along was it not.

The 'WDW is a business' meme is a cop out, If they really want to make money which as you posit is their reason for being they should allow gambling at WDW don't bother with it's against state law as Disney has lobbied against allowing gambling as it would compete with them. But hey if Disney REALLY wants to make money drop the opposition to gambling and turn the EPCOT area into the EPCOT Resort and Casino Complex.

Strangely enough DL has never seen the need to remove seating and shade from their hub area...
 

RayTheFirefly

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Maybe it's because I am from Louisiana, but am I the only one who thinks that people are drastically exaggerating the heat in MK? Like, yes, it's hot. You're also in Florida. Did you expect a balmy 72 degree breeze? I agree that trees are lovely and the shade is most welcome (and I agree about the trees helping to separate the themes of the areas), but is it really THAT bad? It's not like people will be hospitalized with heat stroke from a few minutes of strolling through the hub.
 

dizneycrazy09

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Maybe it's because I am from Louisiana, but am I the only one who thinks that people are drastically exaggerating the heat in MK? Like, yes, it's hot. You're also in Florida. Did you expect a balmy 72 degree breeze? I agree that trees are lovely and the shade is most welcome (and I agree about the trees helping to separate the themes of the areas), but is it really THAT bad? It's not like people will be hospitalized with heat stroke from a few minutes of strolling through the hub.

I agree. Even before the trees were removed from the Hub, I never felt inclined to hang out for hours on end in the shade. If it's 95 degrees outside with 100% humidity, my butt is going in an air conditioned store to cool off for a while. Ain't no tree gonna keep you cool on a July day at 2 PM in Florida.

I liked the Hub with trees, and I like it without trees. It really does look much nicer in person than it does in pictures. Believe it or not, they actually did a beautiful job with it.
 

psuchad

Active Member
Strangely enough DL has never seen the need to remove seating and shade from their hub area...

Disneyland's hub is much smaller and doesn't have many trees. They are larger, but the castle is not the main nighttime show. Fantasmic and World of Color are the major draws. Yes, those areas have been cleared and reconfigured to maximize attendance and profit.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Maybe it's because I am from Louisiana, but am I the only one who thinks that people are drastically exaggerating the heat in MK? Like, yes, it's hot. You're also in Florida. Did you expect a balmy 72 degree breeze? I agree that trees are lovely and the shade is most welcome (and I agree about the trees helping to separate the themes of the areas), but is it really THAT bad? It's not like people will be hospitalized with heat stroke from a few minutes of strolling through the hub.

If I want to stand in the heat on concrete in FL I can stand out on the ramp at MCO while the FBO fuel truck is refueling my plane with avgas.

No no one is going to drop from heat in a few minutes of traversing the hub, But it's symptomatic of the removal of shade and seating to drive people into the shops. Yet DL still has shade and benches.

But if you are STUCK in the hub for any reason from May to October you may have a problem unless you have plenty of water because that pavement is going to be hot enough to fry an egg.
 

DisneyOutsider

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Riigghhtt, Turn the Hub into a blazingly hot shadeless concrete wasteland

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note2001

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Maybe it's because I am from Louisiana, but am I the only one who thinks that people are drastically exaggerating the heat in MK? Like, yes, it's hot. You're also in Florida. Did you expect a balmy 72 degree breeze? I agree that trees are lovely and the shade is most welcome (and I agree about the trees helping to separate the themes of the areas), but is it really THAT bad? It's not like people will be hospitalized with heat stroke from a few minutes of strolling through the hub.

I learned a long time ago to walk through the stores and shade-hop my way through the parks. In places, Epcot seems to be the hardest to find shade in, and AK feels much hotter than any other park. I can deal with MK just fine & we just avoid the hub all together as it's usually jammed with people. Other than parades and shows, there's no reason to face that.

Be careful when you generalize about people's medical (and mental) conditions. There are some who are in poor shape to start with and the humidity combined with the heat catches them off guard. And, just as there are helicopter parents who are diligent about taking care of their child, spraying them down and making sure they drink, I've seen many parents oblivious to a sunburned child as they watch the afternoon shows out in the hub. Perhaps trees would help them, probably not... but they did offer a visual oasis to make folk consider taking a break.
 
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jakeman

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I learned a long time ago to walk through the stores and shade-hop my way through the parks. I feel that in places Epcot is harder to find shade in, and AK feels much hotter. I can deal with MK just fine. We just avoid the hub.
Yet there is shade aplenty in AK...

No no one is going to drop from heat in a few minutes of traversing the hub, But it's symptomatic of the removal of shade and seating to drive people into the shops. Yet DL still has shade and benches.
Just so I'm clear...they didn't remodel the hub to provide better viewing for their extremely popular nighttime show or to provide better traffic flow for the area that had become extremely congested.

They remodeled the hub to elevate the temperature of the park to force people into shops? The closest of which is back on Main Street, away from the hub?
 

betty rose

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I learned a long time ago to walk through the stores and shade-hop my way through the parks. I feel that in places Epcot is harder to find shade in, and AK feels much hotter. I can deal with MK just fine. We just avoid the hub all together as it's usually jammed with people and other than parades and shows, neither of which we're into at this time, there's no reason to face that.

Be careful when you generalize about people's medical (and mental) conditions. There are some who are in poor shape to start with and the humidity combined with the heat catches them off guard. And, just as there are helicopter parents who are diligent about taking care of their child, spraying them down and making sure they drink, I've seem many parents oblivious to a sunburned child as they watch the afternoon shows out in the hub. Perhaps trees would help them, probably not... but they did offer a visual oasis to make folk consider taking a break.
We go through the shops for the same reason, with nothing interesting in the stores...as we have seen everything a zillion times....I'm not spending money as Disney thinks I will do.
 

note2001

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Yet there is shade aplenty in AK...

The trees in AK seem to be doing the exact opposite of what folk are crying out for in the MK, aren't they? :D From the explanation I heard, the leaves hold the heat closer to the ground. My belief is that they cut down the breeze.
So there's a balance between too few/too many trees. Personally, each park feels just right to me.
 
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dizneycrazy09

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The trees in AK seem to be doing the exact opposite of what folk are crying out for in the MK, aren't they? :D From the explanation I heard, the leaves hold the heat closer to the ground. My believe is they cut down the breeze.
So there's a balance. Too few / too many trees. Personally, each park feels just right to me.


Yep AK is the shadiest park, yet I always feel like I'm in a sauna while there.
 

RayTheFirefly

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I learned a long time ago to walk through the stores and shade-hop my way through the parks. I feel that in places Epcot is harder to find shade in, and AK feels much hotter. I can deal with MK just fine. We just avoid the hub all together as it's usually jammed with people and other than parades and shows, neither of which we're into at this time, there's no reason to face that.

Be careful when you generalize about people's medical (and mental) conditions. There are some who are in poor shape to start with and the humidity combined with the heat catches them off guard. And, just as there are helicopter parents who are diligent about taking care of their child, spraying them down and making sure they drink, I've seen many parents oblivious to a sunburned child as they watch the afternoon shows out in the hub. Perhaps trees would help them, probably not... but they did offer a visual oasis to make folk consider taking a break.
Obviously I am assuming most people are in decent enough health to exist outdoors if they are coming to WDW. WDW as a whole involves a lot of travel long distances in outdoor environments. I mean, if one can't handle the hub's sun/heat, how did he/she get into the park from the parking lot? That's a long expanse of sunny concrete. Like I said, while I agree the trees are lovely and most welcome, should Disney be putting canopies over every walkway because some parents don't put sunscreen on their kids? My point is that while it is hot, everyone should know that Florida is hot before they travel there. That's not something that should be surprising.
 

RayTheFirefly

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If I want to stand in the heat on concrete in FL I can stand out on the ramp at MCO while the FBO fuel truck is refueling my plane with avgas.

No no one is going to drop from heat in a few minutes of traversing the hub, But it's symptomatic of the removal of shade and seating to drive people into the shops. Yet DL still has shade and benches.

But if you are STUCK in the hub for any reason from May to October you may have a problem unless you have plenty of water because that pavement is going to be hot enough to fry an egg.
I don't understand being "stuck" in the hub. Because a big part of this redo was to help traffic flow and movement. Do you mean like to see a show or parade? Because that's not really being stuck, is it? It's more of a voluntary attendance.
 

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