The Braveheart
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Any idea how long phase 2 will take to complete? Purely selfish motive as we're over at the end of June and I hate the view of the castle being wasted for my little Princess.
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Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom
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Blairnicol
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If it's taken them a year to do this I don't see how they will have the rest of it done by November?? Anyone with more engineering knowledge know if there is just less bridge building, structural work, ect to do on the north side of things? Unless they just plan on going over-schedule (likely) or lighting a torch under someone's hindquarters (doubtful)....
RayTheFirefly
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There's much less to do after they finish the south portion. The north side's scope is much less complex.
Sage of Time
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Interesting. I wonder if they're expanding the planters by the Partners statue? They didn't look too much larger in the animation...
Kman101
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I'm glad to see them moving onto phase 2!
I just have to laugh though. People want things done in the parks. That requires walls. People don't want to see the walls. People don't think they move fast enough (well, they don't in a lot of ways). I just find it all sort of funny.
I just have to laugh though. People want things done in the parks. That requires walls. People don't want to see the walls. People don't think they move fast enough (well, they don't in a lot of ways). I just find it all sort of funny.
danlb_2000
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Permits do not expire until late November so take that for what you will.
danlb_2000
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The Braveheart
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Fingers crossed! At least DHS will be back to the good old days.
cspencer96
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They are also replacing all of the red concrete with more natural looking from what I understand, so the walls around Partners may be for that purpose. Refreshing that area some while they do the rest.
Rob562
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There was a lot of bridge work, changing the banks of the Hub waterway, construction of parks/fireworks viewing, etc in the southern half of the project. That took time.
The northern half will go relatively quickly since it's mostly just adding new walkways and gardens on what is already solid land. About the biggest thing they may need to do is to add some fill to raise the ground level in the Rose Garden quadrant of the Hub.
Other than that, it's all railings, light poles, paving and the new tech booths and turrets.
-Rob
RayTheFirefly
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Are they replacing ALL of the red concrete in the hub area?
pumpkin7
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Ooo I hope not. The whole point of the red concrete is because you, as a guest, are being shown the red carpet to the park. You are entering the "show" and the windows down Main Street are the credits.
Or so I've read. Pretty neat thinking from Walt there (assuming it's an idea from DLR).
Though I suppose once you reach the hub, you're into the first scene.
Also, I know there have to be walls to make changes and I'd be glad to visit WDW at any time, but I'm real glad I'm not there at the moment. It's not very magical with the crane aswell.
RayTheFirefly
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I always heard that the red was because it made for better pictures in contrast with the sky, etc.
PirateFrank
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Im not sure your analogies are very good. They're not building a house and they're not working on cliffs. While I suspect that there are restrictions as to what they can do during the day, there's plenty that they aren't doing. Truth be told, 90% of the pictures of seen of this project have been during the day where no one is working at all. I agree that there are limitations to this project that may constrain the times where certain types of work can be accomplished. But no one, absolutely no one, can sit here and tell me with a straight face that this 1yr+ uncompleted project is being done efficiently.
There's an old project management triangle that comes into play:
It is painfully obvious that TDO's real concerns are to ensure that 'Cheap' is one of the two constraints. While I am relieved that they appear to be selecting "Good" as the other....it still pains me that this company doesn't put any value on efficient capital development. Sure - spread it out over several budget years so we can make it look good to wall street. Who cares whether the guests have to deal with this eyesore for multiple years!!!
TDO could have thrown *alot* more manpower at this project and gotten it done inside of a year. They didn't. That was a choice. Don't, for one second, defend TDO by saying they couldn't do this any faster because the project particulars constrained them from doing so. Because that's just not true.
pumpkin7
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Im not sure your analogies are very good. They're not building a house and they're not working on cliffs. While I suspect that there are restrictions as to what they can do during the day, there's plenty that they aren't doing. Truth be told, 90% of the pictures of seen of this project have been during the day where no one is working at all. I agree that there are limitations to this project that may constrain the times where certain types of work can be accomplished. But no one, absolutely no one, can sit here and tell me with a straight face that this 1yr+ uncompleted project is being done efficiently.
There's an old project management triangle that comes into play:
It is painfully obvious that TDO's real concerns are to ensure that 'Cheap' is one of the two constraints. While I am relieved that they appear to be selecting "Good" as the other....it still pains me that this company doesn't put any value on efficient capital development. Sure - spread it out over several budget years so we can make it look good to wall street. Who cares whether the guests have to deal with this eyesore for multiple years!!!
TDO could have thrown *alot* more manpower at this project and gotten it done inside of a year. They didn't. That was a choice. Don't, for one second, defend TDO by saying they couldn't do this any faster because the project particulars constrained them from doing so. Because that's just not true.
That looks a lot like mine... Move the red circle around to pick how much of a particular focus you put into a project, effectively you cannot ever touch more than two of the three triangles.
ParksAndPixels
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- In the Parks
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There is truth to both explanations. They wanted the parks & the park icons (castle) to look great on film. Older technology in cameras meant that there was ALOT more thought that HAD to go into the color scheme of an environment to make photos look 'magical' and like no place else (because this wouldn't normally exist this way). One of the tricks was to choose to use colors that look great on film with the Florida sky as the backdrop. So, then red was a very real option and since they were already using theater techniques and thinking to bring guests 'into' the story/screen, red made more and more sense. So the 'red carpet' was 'rolled out'. It you want to validate this further look into the back story behind the American Adventure. There are MANY shades of white used on this building, so that it would look great on film. Both stories are right/true, which I think makes that bit of knowledge that much more interesting.
Both stories are right/true, which I think makes that bit of knowledge that much more interesting.
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Unplugged
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Those steel structure, with potential "tech booths" on top, look a lot like they could hold new digital projectors. It wouldn't surprise me, having proved the technology but considering how much improvement has been made by companies like Christie Digital Systems, if they are going with a new system to be able to bring brighter texture mapping. Either closer wide angled DLP or even laser projection. That would also free up the site lines people have been complaining about on the Main Street roof tops.
...only time will tell.
...only time will tell.
Clamman73
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I'm gonna guess they want this done by the first Mickey's not so Scary. That's nine months from now - they gotta be able to finish by then...