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[Figments Friend]

I love 'Viva Navidad' at DCA.
Saw it in person a couple of times a few years ago.
Loved it.
It's awesome in person....such a great street show.

Disneyland Entertainment rules.

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[Disney Irish]

I would disagree with that. It often only takes a few years for language to change.

It took less than five years from 1965 to about 1969 for the word Negro to be replaced in polite conversation by Black.

It took about the same time from 1975 to 1980 for the word Oriental to be replaced in polite conversation by Asian.

Except you're glossing over the fact that Oriental and Negro (and their various racial slurs) were used for 100s of years before the change to Asian and Black. These things didn't change over night.

Gay came about just as quickly in the early 1970's. Although it was widely enough used in the late 1960's as to cause some problems; there was a young men's clothing shop that had been there for several decades in my hometown called The Gay Blade, and in about 1968 it had to drop the word Gay from its signage and title and it just became The Blade. That definitely happened pre-1970.

And again you're glossing over the fact that the term homosexual was used for almost 100 years before gay came out (no pun intended). And was still used for decades after, and in some cases is still used today. Again the change didn't come over night.

The current term used on college campuses, which is 2SLGBTQQIA+, is absolutely ridiculous. As a member of the gay community myself, I can firmly tell you that none of us are calling ourselves 2SLGBTQQIA+. We just say "gay". Sometimes I drag it out a bit and say "Gaaaaaaay", but only when someone or something is particularly fabulous.

I never say 2SLGBTQQIA+ in my personal speech. And when you type that on a computer, it just looks like a cat ran across your keyboard.

And I don't think very many say the entire acronym to identify themselves, it used to identify the entire community. You identify yourself as gay, and so you'd be the G in that acronym. But someone who is TRANS would identify themselves as such, but would very likely use the shortened LGBTQ acronym to identify their community.

Point is when the word was invented by mostly pompous white people....

Was it though, I have quite a few friends who are members of the community (who happen to also be non-white) who identify themselves by their specific terms, but speak about the LGBTQ community and the larger LGBT2Q+ (this is the shortened version most people in the community I know use) community with passion. They use those terms to be very inclusive as they themselves felt very excluded for most of their lives.

The point is language doesn't change over night, especially terms of identity. It takes sometimes generational changes for older identity language to be used in favor of the new language.

 

[TP2000]

And it may be different things for different people.

One hispanic person might prefer Latino/a. Another might prefer Latinx. A third might prefer Latine.

The actual Latinos out in the real world aren't using Latinx. Much less Latine.

The creation of the word Latinx was purely an American invention. It's not even a word you can readily pronounce in Spanish. And it's increasingly offensive to actual Latino peoples; pompous whites telling the Latinos what to call themselves so they can be good people too. It's the perfect example of modern cultural imperialism.

About One-in-Four U.S. Hispanics Have Heard of Latinx, but Just 3% Use It

The term Latinx has emerged in recent years as a gender-neutral alternative to the pan-ethnic terms Latino, Latina and Hispanic. However, awareness of Latinx is relatively low among the population it is meant to describe.

www.pewresearch.org

“Latinx” Is Offensive

"Latinx" is a term that was recently coined for the Latin American community in the United States.

freethepeople.org

 

[TP2000]

Except you're glossing over the fact that Oriental and Negro (and their various racial slurs) were used for 100s of years before the change to Asian and Black. These things didn't change over night.

What on earth does that argument even mean?

The change from Negro to Black in polite conversation took only a few years, roughly 1965 to about 1969. It helped that the term Black sprang from the Black community itself, and instantly had street cred.

The change from Oriental to Asian took a few years longer, from roughly 1975 to about 1980 or '81.

Those changes were overnight, culturally. Very quickly for a large society. A handful of years.

 

[TP2000]

I love 'Viva Navidad' at DCA.
Saw it in person a couple of times a few years ago.
Loved it.
It's awesome in person....such a great street show.

Disneyland Entertainment rules.

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Isn't Viva Navidad wonderful?!?

It's really one of my most favorite things that Disneyland has done in many years. It's just so infectiously fun, insanely happy and colorful and festive. It's entertainment perfection and I absolutely adore it!

The smiles on those performers faces are so real, so genuine. It's unlike any other Disneyland entertainment that way, the hospitality and pride they have in their craft is so... genuine. I can't think of a better word than that.

These are real smiles, not just painted on.

If a Magic Key is not in my future (and it probably won't be since it seems so messy), I'd be happy just buying a day ticket this December to walk around, ride a couple favorite rides, and see Viva Navidad. More than happy to spend a ticket price on that type of day!

 

[Disney Irish]

What on earth does that argument even mean?

The change from Negro to Black in polite conversation took only a few years, roughly 1965 to about 1969. It helped that the term Black sprang from the Black community itself, and instantly had street cred.

The change from Oriental to Asian took a few years longer, from roughly 1975 to about 1980 or '81.

Those changes were overnight, culturally. Very quickly for a large society. A handful of years.

The point is that the change didn't happen overnight. Those terms were still used for periods of times after the dates you provided, sometimes long periods of time after. For example Negro was still used on the US Census forms until 2014 when Obama signed a law to remove it, some 45+ years after your 65-69 range.

Identity terms aren't just isolated to daily speech, its used in all aspects of language in life including documents. And those usually take a very long time to change. So my point is still the same, its not an overnight change. And as such just because these terms aren't largely used by those communities today doesn't mean they won't be in the future.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Except you're glossing over the fact that Oriental and Negro (and their various racial slurs) were used for 100s of years before the change to Asian and Black. These things didn't change over night.


And again you're glossing over the fact that the term homosexual was used for almost 100 years before gay came out (no pun intended). And was still used for decades after, and in some cases is still used today. Again the change didn't come over night.


And I don't think very many say the entire acronym to identify themselves, it used to identify the entire community. You identify yourself as gay, and so you'd be the G in that acronym. But someone who is TRANS would identify themselves as such, but would very likely use the shortened LGBTQ acronym to identify their community.


Was it though, I have quite a few friends who are members of the community (who happen to also be non-white) who identify themselves by their specific terms, but speak about the LGBTQ community and the larger LGBT2Q+ (this is the shortened version most people in the community I know use) community with passion. They use those terms to be very inclusive as they themselves felt very excluded for most of their lives.

The point is language doesn't change over night, especially terms of identity. It takes sometimes generational changes for older identity language to be used in favor of the new language.

As a gay person, I use LGBTQ2+ when speaking of the community online, I say queer community most often in person… or LGBT, and that long version mentioned I feel is reserved for like articles or scholarly papers.

 

[mickEblu]

And it may be different things for different people.

One hispanic person might prefer Latino/a. Another might prefer Latinx. A third might prefer Latine.

All of those are fine.

Much in the same way that some people might prefer gay while others prefer queer and so on and so forth.

Calling people what they want to be called is basic etiquette.

I’d probably just call them by their name to avoid the issue entirely for as long as calling people by their name is acceptable. Again, call yourself whatever you want and let people that like to be called Ladies and Gentlemen, Ladies and Gentlemen. The problem is that things have gotten so far that we re changing stuff that applies to everyone for a very loud and seemingly very influential minority. We can’t say Ladies and Gentlemen at Disneyland? Are you kidding me?

 

[TP2000]

As a gay person, I use LGBTQ2+ when speaking of the community online, I say queer community most often in person… or LGBT, and that long version mentioned I feel is reserved for like articles or scholarly papers.

Really? And yet you started your sentence with "As a gay person".

I just say the word gay, along with all my friends.

It says it. People understand it. It's one syllable. We blessed it. We embraced it. It works.

 

[TP2000]

The problem is that things have gotten so far that we re changing stuff that applies to everyone for a very loud and seemingly very influential minority. We can’t say Ladies and Gentlemen at Disneyland? Are you ****ing kidding me?

It's ridiculous. I'm honestly not sure who they think they are offending in the crowd on Main Street USA by saying "Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, Disneyland is happy to present...".

It's like a half of one percent of the crowd, if they even happen to show up that night.

At some point, people need to stop making it constantly about them and realize they are part of a broader society and culture. I realize as a gay man that I am part of a small minority, and yet I am proud to be called a gentleman, and I would be annoyed for some service staff member to call me a "friend" instead of a gentleman. A random employee stranger at a theme park is not my friend. I know who my friends are, and random strangers working at theme parks are not automatically my friends. I am a gentleman. And the lady standing next to me waiting for the fireworks to start is a lady.

 

[TP2000]

Especially if they ask you to. It's basic respect.

Sure, if you make a mistake because you didn't know, that's fine - it happens. But once someone has said "please call me this", if you openly refuse or choose not to for some weird point you are trying to make, you are just being a jerk.

I don't disagree with that sentiment at all.

But as a gentle reminder, we have not had a Latino member of this community ask us to call them Latinx, or even Latine.

And that might be a tough thing to happen, since the Latino community doesn't use those words and many Latinos find those terms offensive. What is stylish in the faculty lounge often doesn't work in the real world.

About One-in-Four U.S. Hispanics Have Heard of Latinx, but Just 3% Use It

The term Latinx has emerged in recent years as a gender-neutral alternative to the pan-ethnic terms Latino, Latina and Hispanic. However, awareness of Latinx is relatively low among the population it is meant to describe.

www.pewresearch.org

Latinx Is A Term Many Still Can't Embrace

People born or descended from Spanish-speaking nations are still debating if any of the ethnic labels used to identify them in the United States feel right.

www.npr.org

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

As someone who has never seen this before, what is the “2S” is the current LGBTQ string of letters?

 

[Disney Analyst]

As someone who has never seen this before, what is the “2S” is the current LGBTQ string of letters?

“2S – Two-Spirit (or 2 Spirit or 2S): an important term within some Indigenous cultures and some Indigenous people, meaning a person with both a feminine and a masculine spirit living in the same body. This is often used to describe sexual orientation, gender identity and/or spiritual identity.”

 

[Disney Analyst]

Really? And yet you started your sentence with "As a gay person".

I just say the word gay, along with all my friends.

It says it. People understand it. It's one syllable. We blessed it. We embraced it. It works.

I mean if I am referring to myself as individual I will say gay or queer.

It depends on my mood.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

“2S – Two-Spirit (or 2 Spirit or 2S): an important term within some Indigenous cultures and some Indigenous people, meaning a person with both a feminine and a masculine spirit living in the same body. This is often used to describe sexual orientation, gender identity and/or spiritual identity.”

Thanks- that's a new one to me.

 

[truecoat]

The ice skaters aren't Lesbians unless a newspaper reporter tells you they are Lesbians.

I know Lesbians. I socialize with Lesbians. I've attended Lesbian weddings (more often than I'd like, due to the heavy use of Melissa Etheridge at the receptions).

This is not Lesbianism, it is ice skating.

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But those outfits are from LL Bean.

 

[eddie104]

I understand certain posters here have presented themselves at least in my observation as more conservative minded which is fine. What I don’t like is the gatekeeping being casually thrown around.

One sentence you say “white liberals” shouldn’t be deciding what we identify people as and then in another breath say what Disney should be doing when welcoming guests. It’s the hypocrisy for me and talking out both sides of your mouth.

P.S. This is not aimed at one particular user just my observance of this thread and others.

 

[TP2000]

Thanks- that's a new one to me.

It was new to me too. About every 18 months we add another letter to the acronym string. Sometimes we just add a symbol. Currently in 2021 we are up to 2SLGBTQQIA+. I'm looking forward to seeing us start including monetary symbols, like Yen or Swiss Franc.

Interestingly, an alternate to Latinx is now Latin@. I'm not making that up. A tiny handful of people are trying to add the at symbol to the end of Latino to replace the letter O. Latin@.

Try saying that in English, let alone Spanish. And then let that sink in.

But those outfits are from LL Bean.

The window glare obscured it a bit. You're right. It might not just be ice skating.

 

[RobWDW1971]

It was new to me too. About every 18 months we add another letter to the acronym string. Sometimes we just add a symbol. Currently in 2021 we are up to 2SLGBTQQIA+. I'm looking forward to seeing us start including monetary symbols, like Yen or Swiss Franc.

Interestingly, an alternate to Latinx is now Latin@. I'm not making that up. Some people are trying to add the at symbol to the end of Latino to replace the letter O. Latin@.

Try saying that in English, let alone Spanish. And then let that sink in.

For those of us who grew up on Mad and Cracked magazines and then later The Onion, I literally can't tell what is real or satire anymore.

 

[TP2000]

For those of us who grew up on Mad and Cracked magazines and then later The Onion, I literally can't tell what is real or satire anymore.

I know, isn't it great?!

But it can be confusing. When I first saw the 2SLGBTQQIA+ in print, it literally looked like someone's cat ran across their keyboard.

It's just all so hysterically funny. Unfortunately, the people writing these jokes usually don't know how funny they are being. But God bless 'em! I love it!