Californian Elitist
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Exactly. I’ve only seen videos of it, but I can tell that it somehow works, for whatever reason. I need to see it in person to get the full experience.
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News Main Street Electrical Parade and A Christmas Fantasy Parade to return
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TP2000
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Also, I am.glad I was not the only person who ever thought that it looked like bacon.
I never saw it as bacon. But now I can’t unsee it as bacon.
Castle Cake Apologist
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Most of the stuff WDW "got" was necessary additions after decades of stagnation and neglect in the swamps. They literally stopped building new things and astronomically raised prices while slashing service to try to reduce crowding without affecting spending (Iger's words, not mine). Much of it also replaced things that already existed, instead of being new builds.
Those two new fireworks shows were at the expense of two wildly popular and nearly universally-beloved shows, one of which had only recently premiered. The show at Epcot also came at the expense of the sightlines across the World Showcase Lagoon, as they've filled it with hideous hardware that only serves a purpose during the show at night. It also killed a beautifully orchestrated show about humanity's oneness to force in an IP Disney singalong around the world, with incredibly questionable inclusions considering its stated purpose of cultural relevancy (Arabian Nights and I Wanna Be Like You in 2021? Really? Misguided at best) .
And are we really counting the return of the water pageant as an addition for the 50th? I mean, sure, it got a "new" float, but the fact that one of the main things the poster you were replying to offered as stuff WDW got for the 50th was the return of a very minor attraction kinda says it all. Then there's stuff like KiteTails, which is just... bad in the most hilariously embarrassing way.
All of that is not to even mention that nearly everything WDW wound up getting wasn't even supposed to be for the 50th, most of it was already planned and meant to open before the celebration started (see first paragraph, ie: decades of stagnation).
So, yeah, color me a little bit jealous that Disneyland gets a nighttime parade back when they just let ours sit outside in tents and rot and never replaced it. Comparatively, it just really feels like Disneyland gets the majority of the love when it comes to continuously being updated and maintained. Nothing against any of the Disneylanders here, of course I'm happy that the company once again recognizes the importance of maintaining the crown jewel OG of the Parks, and I'm sure you guys often feel the same way about stuff that you get. It's the downside of loving these spaces, even if I don't really feel like I love them as much as I used to lately. And I really don't mean to sound like one of the "WOE IS ME" WDW people, but I guess it's just hard to watch something you've spent 35 years loving so much slip further and further away from what it should be.
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Castle Cake Apologist
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PiratesMansion
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Isn't your whole MO that we need to be ok with Disneyland bulldozing literally everything to make way for new things and new IP in every circumstance?
But now you're coming out for MSEP instead of Paint the Night (i.e. the new parade with newer IP)?
I don't understand.
el_super
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Oh I'm not at all in favor of MSEP coming back... Again. Pretty sure I was tired of that parade in the 1980s.
I'm tired of the indecision here really. If Paint the Night isn't an option because of whatever reason, they need to spend the money to either create a new parade that would work, or fix up the MSEP (add new floats and elements).
Californian Elitist
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I understand. I get the disappointment and the feelings of frustration. I’m not at all jealous of WDW fans at the moment. Nothing about the 50th festivities has impressed me so far, and I do feel for the fans. I think it’s perfectly normal and reasonable to expect more and better. I’m not exactly sure why the mindsets between Florida and California differ in ways. I have my theories, but I don’t know for sure.
Who knows, maybe TDO has other things planned and they just haven’t been announced yet? It’s only been a few months since it started.
Phroobar
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New repurposed floats are cool. Too bad Disney can't used any other characters except the same ones they use for everything else. At least there isn't any Little Mermaid or Beauty & the Beast. I want to see a float with Robin Hood or the Horned King. Is the circus floats still part of it with the King Lion from Bedknobs and Broomsticks?
PiratesMansion
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I believe those have been gone for more than a decade.
brb1006
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I'm still wondering why Disney decided to suddenly ditch the Dumbo Section back when MSEP was updated in late 2009. Disney already created a brand new score for the Dumbo section that was planned to get used. But due to the Dumbo Section being axed, the score remains used. As a result, MSEP feels very short without the Dumbo section between Peter Pan and The Seven Dwarfs.
I actually remember when the new Dumbo score was leaked not long after the parade returned in late 2009.
Centauri Space Station
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All I said was DL is getting some entertainment back, you would think it was getting all new additions with the way people talk. Electric water pageant and the fireworks all returned over a year ago as well, not just recently. Im happy for DL getting MSEP back, I personally have seen it enough but it’s nice there’s a new float, just like EWP got. I’m not jealous of DL or WDW, both have unique offerings. I agree Enchantment is disappointing compared to HEA, but I like Harmonious and illuminations running unchanged for 20 years was getting old.
CaptinEO
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Ugh. What I read as a nice very Disney addition to the parade I now see as Disney going full woke for not wanting to celebrate America.
I'm sure the "diversity and inclusion team" made sure the "racist patriotic float" was not part of the parade.
Did they not know Walt was a patriot and served in the military?
PiratesMansion
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It's not as if this was the only patriotic representation in the park, or that a place very much associated with Americana is suddenly abandoning all patriotism outright.
The US is one of the only countries that is as into its flag as it is. I imagine it's a bit of a weird experience for international visitors. Not an offensive one necessarily, but odd.
And To Honor America was neither exported to the international versions of the parade, nor was it replaced with Japanese or French flags. I actually really like that even back from the 80s the international versions ended with IASW instead, which frankly is a message we need more right now, in all contexts, than "Yay America," which is in no danger of leaving either this park or this country anytime soon.
Or more cynically, Disney, rather than pay for a new night parade or run the one they already have, saw that it was a big canvas on which they might replace a float that celebrated the bicentennial and/or is very much associated with that era AND ALSO happened to be the one float that had no Disney IP attached to it and saw a cheap way to update it. After all, they may reason, if we've finally added some modern IP it's easier to feel better about essentially junking PTN.
Long story short, I'm fine with it. Would it have been better and more fitting if they had kept the original float and just added new floats with new characters? Probably. But I'm fine with it.
TTA94
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Just clarifying, Do you mean PTN is still in limbo as far as a decision to let WDW have it?
Californian Elitist
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WDW fans should accept the idea that PTN is likely staying home.
Commentary: Disneyland's Electrical Parade is ditching its patriotic float. Why that's a good thing
Disneyland's Main Street Electrical Parade returns in April minus its U.S. flag float and with new characters from "Encanto" and "Raya and the Last Dragon."
www.latimes.com
"The new float will give the Main Street Electrical Parade an infusion of fresh film- and park-inspired intellectual property and strike Disneyland of one of its last remaining symbols of arguably stale patriotism."
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"America is a collection of stories and myths from multiple cultures. The previous “To Honor America” parade float increasingly felt out of place at one of our country’s most fabled and recognizable institutions. With dancers clad in colonial garb, it felt like a relic of a time when America longed for “the good ol’ days” rather than forward momentum. Indeed, the stars-and-stripes finale came along in 1979, shortly after America’s 1976 bicentennial celebration (a Disneyland representative noted the parade was on hiatus in 1975 and 1976)."
Vegas Disney Fan
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It’s sad that patriotism is viewed as a negative now.Commentary: Disneyland's Electrical Parade is ditching its patriotic float. Why that's a good thing
Disneyland's Main Street Electrical Parade returns in April minus its U.S. flag float and with new characters from "Encanto" and "Raya and the Last Dragon."
"The new float will give the Main Street Electrical Parade an infusion of fresh film- and park-inspired intellectual property and strike Disneyland of one of its last remaining symbols of arguably stale patriotism."
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"America is a collection of stories and myths from multiple cultures. The previous “To Honor America” parade float increasingly felt out of place at one of our country’s most fabled and recognizable institutions. With dancers clad in colonial garb, it felt like a relic of a time when America longed for “the good ol’ days” rather than forward momentum. Indeed, the stars-and-stripes finale came along in 1979, shortly after America’s 1976 bicentennial celebration (a Disneyland representative noted the parade was on hiatus in 1975 and 1976)."
To all who come to this happy place: Welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here, age relives fond memories of the past, and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America, with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world.
Disneyland was a beacon of American ideology… it’s lost its way.
Californian Elitist
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Y’all actually believe Disney changed the float because they’re anti-American patriotism?
Also, American patriotism has had dangerous and often bigoted implications for some time now. Nothing new, in terms of it being thought of as a negative thing.
Also, American patriotism has had dangerous and often bigoted implications for some time now. Nothing new, in terms of it being thought of as a negative thing.