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Markiewong

Markiewong

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Brummyboy92 said:
I can't see a paid access system going down well at all, the least European Europeans with a big park presence are the Brits, and I can't see this being popular with them either. I guess if it makes the standby lines shorter though, it can only be a good thing for most.
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Brits are the ones who should be used to paid the line. Basically any major themepark in UK offers it: alton, thorpe, chessington, blackpool and legoland.

Now that I think of, the only other two big themeparks that don’t offer skip the line passes as the Efteling and Europapark. Its really not that uncommen here.

Robbiem said:
This is effectively bringing back ticket books but keeping park entry so effectively double dipping. Paris could well be the pilot for a wider roll out
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If there was a pilot already its Shanghai. Its a paid skip the line pass, I don’t see the comparison to a ticketbook. You don’t have to pay to do the attractions, you pay to not wait.
 
Brummyboy92

Brummyboy92

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It is relatively common in UK theme parks, however I would not say its hugely popular with most. Plus paying travel/hotel/park ticket/food/merch on top of this is extremely excessive.

As well as that, I have always seen Disneyland Paris as a more affordable option for Brits over Orlando, therefore a large portion of Brits who visit the Paris resort are likely already on a budget. And lets not get started on the French audience here, this will not go down well with them at all.
 
Markiewong

Markiewong

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Brummyboy92 said:
It is relatively common in UK theme parks, however I would not say its hugely popular with most. Plus paying travel/hotel/park ticket/food/merch on top of this is extremely excessive.

As well as that, I have always seen Disneyland Paris as a more affordable option for Brits over Orlando, therefore a large portion of Brits who visit the Paris resort are likely already on a budget. And lets not get started on the French audience here, this will not go down well with them at all.
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What do you expect that they do? Throw tomatoes at the by passing people? Boycot the park? I don’t see any of those scenarios happen. Disney has always been a place where the richer people have privileges, this is no different. If Parc Asterix, which is way more ‘france’ than Disney, already has this system for years without problems. I don’t see why it suddenly would be here.

I don’t think anybody in the world is happy with paid services, but we all accept it as part of society. First class in transportation, better seating at shows, better houses/food/hotels etc etc.
 
Brummyboy92

Brummyboy92

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Markiewong said:
What do you expect that they do? Throw tomatoes at the by passing people? Boycot the park? I don’t see any of those scenarios happen. Disney has always been a place where the richer people have privileges, this is no different. If Parc Asterix, which is way more ‘france’ than Disney, already has this system for years without problems. I don’t see why it suddenly would be here.

I don’t think anybody in the world is happy with paid services, but we all accept it as part of society. First class in transportation, better seating at shows, better houses/food/hotels etc etc.
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What do I expect who to do, guests? They will boycott not out of choice, but out of cost. Disney can't continue to make everything more expensive across the board, whilst offering less value for money.

WDW is out of reach for the average European family, seems like Paris is going down the same route. At peak times a family of 4 would have to pay over £80/Euro to ride a ride, how utterly disgusting. I can't believe people are actually defending such a system, from a company that always up until the past 10/15 years marketed itself towards "everyday" families.

This continuous shift of price hikes left, right & centre, combined with getting less for your money does not sit right with me. I hope people start seeing these moves for what they are, and hit Disney where it hurts. I hope they struggle with attendance for the foreseeable, as the current people on top need to go.
 
Markiewong

Markiewong

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Brummyboy92 said:
What do I expect who to do, guests? They will boycott not out of choice, but out of cost. Disney can't continue to make everything more expensive across the board, whilst offering less value for money.

WDW is out of reach for the average European family, seems like Paris is going down the same route. At peak times a family of 4 would have to pay over £80/Euro to ride a ride, how utterly disgusting. I can't believe people are actually defending such a system, from a company that always up until the past 10/15 years marketed itself towards "everyday" families.

This continuous shift of price hikes left, right & centre, combined with getting less for your money does not sit right with me. I hope people start seeing these moves for what they are, and hit Disney where it hurts. I hope they struggle with attendance for the foreseeable, as the current people on top need to go.
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There are three things that you seem to miss with your argument. They all seem to revolve around not realizing that fastpass was purely a psychological product to make people think that they were waiting less.
  1. The standby line were only long because 80% of the capacity would go to Fastpass. If theres no fastpass the queue will move at a consistent speed, look at Phantom Manor as example.
  2. With the removal of fastpass the 80% will flow back to the standby line. Instead a signifcant smaller part will be allocated to DPA.
  3. You don’t need DPA to ride a ride. For a non-DPA guest the experience will probably still be better due to being able to do attractions whenever he wants with an acceptable wait time. I mean take a look at the wait times below without fastpass(Taken af 18:00 local time park closing at 21:00). yes this line will go slower once people start using DPA. But it will nowhere be close to what FP used to do.
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Disneyland is still affordable, a 2 night stay in Sequoia Lodge sets you back for 200/250 euros per person in december. People who are willing to spend more money to skip the lines will still be able, but for the non-DPA-paying guests the experience should be more plesant.

But it all comes down to the percentage that Disney will allocate to DPA. Even if they allocate 70%, I don’t see 70% of the capacity being used by people who are willing to shell out that money. Besides in order for DPA to work the wait time has to be really short, otherwise people will feel cheated out of 15 euros.
 
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LondonTom

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Markiewong said:
There are three things that you seem to miss with your argument. They all seem to revolve around not realizing that fastpass was purely a psychological product to make people think that they were waiting less.
  1. The standby line were only long because 80% of the capacity would go to Fastpass. If theres no fastpass the queue will move at a consistent speed, look at Phantom Manor as example.
  2. With the removal of fastpass the 80% will flow back to the standby line. Instead a signifcant smaller part will be allocated to DPA.
  3. You don’t need DPA to ride a ride. For a non-DPA guest the experience will probably still be better due to being able to do attractions whenever he wants with an acceptable wait time. I mean take a look at the wait times below without fastpass(Taken af 18:00 local time park closing at 21:00). yes this line will go slower once people start using DPA. But it will nowhere be close to what FP used to do.View attachment 570183
Disneyland is still affordable, a 2 night stay in Sequoia Lodge sets you back for 200/250 euros per person in december. People who are willing to spend more money to skip the lines will still be able, but for the non-DPA-paying guests the experience should be more plesant.

But it all comes down to the percentage that Disney will allocate to DPA. Even if they allocate 70%, I don’t see 70% of the capacity being used by people who are willing to shell out that money. Besides in order for DPA to work the wait time has to be really short, otherwise people will feel cheated out of 15 euros.
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If the waiting times come down to what you are suggesting there, no one is going to be paying for DPA as it wouldn't have any value amongst enough guests (even rich ones, as if your that rich to afford this for your family you may as well book the VIP tours). The standby lines are going stay long, if not go up as otherwise Disney have just alienated a load of guests (by taking away something of perceived value) without making hardly any extra money.

There is also the problem that the even the standby lines are rumoured to be going virtual too, so Disney have full control over how long you wait and how many paid for/free riders each attraction is going take per hour. Its nothing but cash grab to make you pay extra for an experience, you have already paid for at the gate.
 
Stevie Amsterdam

Stevie Amsterdam

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LondonTom said:
If the waiting times come down to what you are suggesting there, no one is going to be paying for DPA as it wouldn't have any value amongst enough guests (even rich ones, as if your that rich to afford this for your family you may as well book the VIP tours). The standby lines are going stay long, if not go up as otherwise Disney have just alienated a load of guests (by taking away something of perceived value) without making hardly any extra money.

There is also the problem that the even the standby lines are rumoured to be going virtual too, so Disney have full control over how long you wait and how many paid for/free riders each attraction is going take per hour. Its nothing but cash grab to make you pay extra for an experience, you have already paid for at the gate.
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⬆️This bears repeating⬆️

It is important to realize that this is free cash for Disney. They don’t offer you anything real, like merch, food or a show. Just time. And while time is one of the most valuable commodities, it is still very inappropriate for them to charge you multiple times per day for the same experience.

For those among us who say “but you don’t have to buy it” I say have fun waiting in very long lines.
 
Toni25

Toni25

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Anybody knows if there will be an AECOM Attendance Report this year? 😬
2020 was a mess, I'm sure the numbers are disastrous, but I'm curious what numbers the international parks managed to pull in,
especially SHANGHAI.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Toni25 said:
Anybody knows if there will be an AECOM Attendance Report this year? 😬
2020 was a mess, I'm sure the numbers are disastrous, but I'm curious what numbers the international parks managed to pull in,
especially SHANGHAI.
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It is scheduled to be released in early August.
 
Den Carter

Den Carter

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fradz said:
www.plugshare.com

Disneyland Paris Main Car Park | Chessy, IDF | EV Station

Ask for entry code at the gate.
www.plugshare.com

--> Type 2, but there are not many apparently (4?)
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We've used those chargers many times. It's true there are only four posts, but that has been enough for the number of EVs that tend to use them for the last few years. Of course, they'll need to add more relatively soon. And add superchargers. They're only 7kw so to get a full charge in my Renault Zoe takes about 6 hours!
Best thing about driving an EV to DLP is that the spaces are the closest parking spaces to the park possible. Even closer than the Infinity lot.
 

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