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Jordan dby

Jordan dby

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Disneylsnd California and Paris are typically 2-3 day visit parks, max. many will be 1 day visits from people who live nearby. lots will be people who are visiting the area and include a day or two at the park as part of a general trip.

Florida is a week or two doing theme parks every day. it's a very different clientele than the other Disney parks.

i might beb wrong but i see Abu Dhabi being an alternative to Florida, not Paris.
 
Gusey

Gusey

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The fact that there is now a high chance that Disney may open 2 new whole resorts before Disneyland Parc gets a new a ride is quite baffling at the moment
 
aleh021

aleh021

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Jordan dby said:
Disneylsnd California and Paris are typically 2-3 day visit parks, max. many will be 1 day visits from people who live nearby. lots will be people who are visiting the area and include a day or two at the park as part of a general trip.

Florida is a week or two doing theme parks every day. it's a very different clientele than the other Disney parks.

i might beb wrong but i see Abu Dhabi being an alternative to Florida, not Paris.
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I havent been to Paris so I cant talk on that.

But Disneyland can easily be a 4-5 day park visit.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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Jordan dby said:
Disneylsnd California and Paris are typically 2-3 day visit parks, max. many will be 1 day visits from people who live nearby. lots will be people who are visiting the area and include a day or two at the park as part of a general trip.

Florida is a week or two doing theme parks every day. it's a very different clientele than the other Disney parks.

i might beb wrong but i see Abu Dhabi being an alternative to Florida, not Paris.
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Yes, I don't think people travelling from Spain, the UK, Netherlands, etc. to Disneyland Paris for a few days will start tossing up whether to instead fly to Abu Dhabi. It is more a case of competing with other long-haul tourist destinations such as the United States.

For Europeans, I also find it hard to imagine a Disney park is going to be a huge determining factor in going there when they will have more substantial resorts in Europe and Florida within a comparable distance. It probably makes Abu Dhabi more attractive for those already considering going there, but I would think it is more of a lure for those who like relatively close to Abu Dhabi but far away from all the other Disney resorts.
 
nickys

nickys

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Sir_Cliff said:
Yes, I don't think people travelling from Spain, the UK, Netherlands, etc. to Disneyland Paris for a few days will start tossing up whether to instead fly to Abu Dhabi. It is more a case of competing with other long-haul tourist destinations such as the United States.

For Europeans, I also find it hard to imagine a Disney park is going to be a huge determining factor in going there when they will have more substantial resorts in Europe and Florida within a comparable distance. It probably makes Abu Dhabi more attractive for those already considering going there, but I would think it is more of a lure for those who like relatively close to Abu Dhabi but far away from all the other Disney resorts.
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I agree with your first paragraph. Not the second.

Dubai have been advertising heavily in the UK recently. Abu Dhabi much less so.
But between them there is a glut of theme parks, some that never opened (either unfinished or ready to open but haven’t). Others have shuttered. It’s like the market has reached saturation point. So they will need international visitors to come and visit.
That’s why this announcement surprised me. The Disney name should mean this is a success - as long as it is more like Disney Seas than WDSP, for example.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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nickys said:
I agree with your first paragraph. Not the second.

Dubai have been advertising heavily in the UK recently. Abu Dhabi much less so.
But between them there is a glut of theme parks, some that never opened (either unfinished or ready to open but haven’t). Others have shuttered. It’s like the market has reached saturation point. So they will need international visitors to come and visit.
That’s why this announcement surprised me. The Disney name should mean this is a success - as long as it is more like Disney Seas than WDSP, for example.
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Maybe I am wrong, I just find it hard to image people travelling that far from the UK for a theme park vacation when there is Orlando a comparable distance away for longer trips and Disneyland Paris for shorter trips. This will also just be one Disney park vs. two in Paris and everything Orlando has to offer. I know there is also Warner Bros. World, Ferrari World, and Sea World, but do they really compare with everything WDW and Universal have between them in Florida?

A Disney park is, without a doubt, an extra incentive for people to visit. I just suspect it is more competition for Disneyland Paris or WDW for UK/European visitors in the same way, say, Greece is competition for both of them.
 
nickys

nickys

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Sir_Cliff said:
Maybe I am wrong, I just find it hard to image people travelling that far from the UK for a theme park vacation when there is Orlando a comparable distance away for longer trips and Disneyland Paris for shorter trips. This will also just be one Disney park vs. two in Paris and everything Orlando has to offer. I know there is also Warner Bros. World, Ferrari World, and Sea World, but do they really compare with everything WDW and Universal have between them in Florida?

A Disney park is, without a doubt, an extra incentive for people to visit. I just suspect it is more competition for Disneyland Paris or WDW for UK/European visitors in the same way, say, Greece is competition for both of them.
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I don’t think people will see it as a destination to rival Florida either.
But my point is they need to start ramping up the adverts and lures because the locals are clearly theme-parked out.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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There’s a definite downward trend in Orlando’s popularity for UK and European visitors. Sky falling stuff? Certainly not. But edging towards double digit percentage. Those choosing not to visit - for whatever reason - would be probably looking elsewhere. And like @nickys said the area is being marketed heavily. For a project not relying on Europeans to be successful, any additional visitation from us would be the cherry on top.
 
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Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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marni1971 said:
There’s a definite downward trend in Orlando’s popularity for UK and European visitors. Sky falling stuff? Certainly not. But edging towards double digit percentage. Those choosing not to visit - for whatever reason - would be probably looking elsewhere. And like @nickys said the area is being marketed heavily. For a project not relying on Europeans to be successful, any additional visitation from us would the cherry on top.
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The trend away from tourism to the US is an interesting point I didn't think of which could benefit UAE as another warm, sunny and relatively safe and family-friendly destination. Where things stand in that regard by the time this park opens is anyone's guess. Now is probably a good time for them to be pitching to UK holidaymakers, though.
 
mrflo

mrflo

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Like I mentioned earlier, I recently took a spontaneous trip to Abu Dhabi — and it really surprised me in a good way. It’s just a six-hour direct flight from Germany & Switzerland, with barely any time difference, so no jet lag. Compared to Orlando, which is over 10 hours and doesn’t even offer many direct flights from my nearby airports, it’s a much easier getaway.

There’s definitely a growing trend of people from German-speaking countries heading to the UAE in winter. The value is great — beaches, culture, luxury hotels, world-class museums and increasingly strong theme parks. They’ve clearly learned from the old Dubailand days and are focusing more on quality. SeaWorld Abu Dhabi was very impressive, and WB World is already planning a Harry Potter expansion. They’re even building their own version of the Sphere like in Vegas, which should add even more draw.

Also, with millions already using UAE airports to fly to Asia or Australia, the growing list of attractions makes it an appealing stopover option too.

As for Disneyland Paris, I don’t think this will cause a drop, but if the resort wants to grow significantly — especially to justify a potential third park — it’ll need to attract more international visitors. The German-speaking markets have already declined since the ’90s, as with Europa-Park and others upping their game, DLP has more solid competition. Among casual travelers in German-speaking countries, the reputation of DLP isn’t that great. So while Disney Abu Dhabi doesn’t rewrite the playbook, it’s definitely another pressure point - especially if we see Tokyo-level quality from this park. And I have a feeling money/budget will not be an issue for this one.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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infloencer said:
It seems kind of hypocritical for people to avoid traveling to the US for political reasons but then happily go to the UAE
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Mr Ferret 75 said:
Who said it's political. Maybe it's the money money money approach of the east coast park that is putting a lot of people off.
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Very simple straw poll amongst some people I know over here, politics was just the nail in the coffin. There’s a perception WDW has become too busy and too expensive. Even one family I know who are every year types are using Uni as their primary destination and not going to WDW at all for the first time. I was surprised. Again, tiny straw poll but multiply by x and there’s a definite trend emerging. If the new resort can market itself correctly to those willing to try it, it could be a winner.

If political it also depends on people’s opinions and thoughts about US politics v UAE politics. One is certainly much more in your face mainstream wise than the other. I dare say many don’t even know about certain UAE rules. And if they did would they really care? (not judging either way)

In Europe there’s broadly 2 types of holidays; a short few days trip and a longer few weeks one. Many do both the same year. I don’t see Paris being affected much since it’s the shorter holiday, but that 2-3 week trip to Orlando? The Emirates are already perceived as aspirational. Flights are already more than comparable in price and length. If they can get the pricing and marketing right it could easily be a viable alternative to Florida. Although again I don’t believe westerners are the primary target.
 
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Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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LieutLaww said:
WDW for me has basically priced me out even when I go solo, so DLP is now my choice of Disney park, much closer and way more affordable.
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Disneyland Paris is also just so much more relaxed than WDW. There is none of this navigating complicated systems for reserving rides and the queues are generally reasonable, more in line with how they used to be at Disneyland at WDW. I also find the hotel packages pretty reasonable in Paris, and then you have a nice stroll to and from the parks that is manageable even in the colder months.
 
IMDREW

IMDREW

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And also, theres not much of a time difference between Europe and the UAE and its a shorter flight for most. I know those factors feature for the people i know.
 

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