Magic Kingdom not as much patriotic anymore?

[21stamps]

But those are Americans. I was speaking of other countries, not those in the US. Also not speaking of support during a world sports event either. That would be a whole other thing, but just every day after living in Europe, for example, I don't get that "Proud to be German" (or whatever) that we have here.

You've never met anyone from Israel or Argentina then..

I will never forget standing on main street in 1976 and watching the fireworks and listening to the patriotic music. It sure made me proud of America and it was a magical uplifting feeling. Will never forget that experience. Wish it was still a part of Disney.

Just wanted to tell you, tonight at our amusement park the fireworks show was @ 20 minutes or so.. all patriotic songs of course, but the finale song was "God Bless the USA". I had tears listening, and my child and I singing along with it. Other people sang along as well, but nowhere near as many as the last time I attended a 4th show that played it..maybe 13 years ago.. at that time Everyone was singing.
I'm hoping it's just because maybe some younger people don't know it.

 

[21stamps]

I'm sorry but your argument has nothing to do specifically about me, i'm just justifying my original comment.


I of course do not want to change subjects of this thread, but newer generations have been increasingly more agnostic/atheist than in the past and might be the reason for your observation. but BLAMING an entire generation of people is unreasonably obtuse and unrealistic just due to your personal dissatisfaction of advancing societal and cultural norms.

I'm not, and never have blamed millenials for what is going on now. I place more blame on the people raising/teaching the millenials. But either way, I don't dislike or blame an entire generation for anything.

My first comment was to your "Great Recession" and "hardships" comments. For the most part, millenials were spared the brunt of that, and definitely what lead up to it.
That's one of the reasons that Gen X was 'forgotten' lol..they got hit by everything you listed and much more, right after most came of age, and before they had as much time as the Baby Boomers to plan and absorb those kind of financially catastrophic events. Your comment was just a bit strange to see from a millennial.

But, for the "God" thing.. that song is an extremely patriotic one, a song that was played often during times of war/conflict.. not a religious song.

ETA- in case you're wondering, or maybe as a point of reference, I don't identify solely with Gen X or Millenials honestly.. I'm in the Oregon Trail sub generation. We're like a mix of both...I don't think anyone knows how to label us, including ourselves.lol

 

[ssreward]

Just out of curiosity, how old were you when the market crashed in 2001? Did you have a large portfolio at that time?
What about the next crash? And then the housing crash? Were you a home owner at that time, in a home who's value decreased by 100-200 thousand or more?

I'm not saying these questions in any kind of rude way, just curious based on your comment...from what I know most millennial's luckily avoided those years, due to age at the time.

I'm not the poster this was directed at but thought I'd chime in to answer because I think it's an interesting gauge on viewpoints as well
I grew up as Gen Y but that's apparently included with millennials these days - born 1980. So I was 20 during the '01 market crash but neither I nor anyone I knew (of any age) was particularly affected by that because I come from that rare "old-school blue collar middle class" strata - nobody owned a portfolio (or even a single stock, lol) to take a hit on! I bought my first single-family home in 2005 & sold it in 2007. Every house I've owned has been purchased for under 200k so I had no opportunity to lose 100-200k value. I did see the house I purchased in 2007 for 180k decrease to 135k value at it's lowest point but it's back to or above the purchase value now.
I can agree that many of the younger millennials avoided the worst of the recession by virtue of age but some of us avoided it by not falling prey to the excesses to the 80s & early 90s like dabbling in the stock market & buying overpriced McMansions

 

[correcaminos]

You've never met anyone from Israel or Argentina then..

Just wanted to tell you, tonight at our amusement park the fireworks show was @ 20 minutes or so.. all patriotic songs of course, but the finale song was "God Bless the USA". I had tears listening, and my child and I singing along with it. Other people sang along as well, but nowhere near as many as the last time I attended a 4th show that played it..maybe 13 years ago.. at that time Everyone was singing.
I'm hoping it's just because maybe some younger people don't know it.

No I have not traveled there. I have visited other countries, but lived in Europe so most of my experience is there. While I know people from each of the two you have mentioned, I have never visited personally. None of the people I know are that patriotic but some live there now and some don't so it's not fair to compare. Right now I am actually not leaving US soil for the near future so no checking it out for myself.

One thing for sure though, we are often looked at odd by many other countries for how we act. Our pledge to the flag is especially confusing to most.

As for your last part, maybe they don't believe in God and don't like the song? Or think that the Christianity of it all makes them feel uncomfortable to sing? I used to love that song - now it's with mixed feelings. It might be fine if you are Christian to sing it an like it, but if you are not, then it isn't. While you see it as patriotic only, others do not feel that way. Adding one phrase to the song makes it irrelevant to enough out there to not enjoy it.

 

[ssreward]

Just wanted to tell you, tonight at our amusement park the fireworks show was @ 20 minutes or so.. all patriotic songs of course, but the finale song was "God Bless the USA". I had tears listening, and my child and I singing along with it. Other people sang along as well, but nowhere near as many as the last time I attended a 4th show that played it..maybe 13 years ago.. at that time Everyone was singing.
I'm hoping it's just because maybe some younger people don't know it.

13 years ago would've been 2004 & still riding the tail of 9/11 - for which Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the USA" was pretty much the anthem of. So, I'm not at all surprised that there were more people signing along then than now...it wasn't an outrageously popular song before/after but it was the go-to song for that era. If anything, I'd consider it progress that we've finally gotten over it to some degree

 

[LAKid53]

US history isn't PC so they don't really teach it in US schools. Foreigners need to learn it butt not the US kids, they are being trained to be tolerant of everyone and all excepting. It's the making of sheep. Of course the upper class wolves are the ones who want this done as they send their kids off to private schools? Don't need the under classes to become all uppity.

Rome fell for the most part because they ran out of Romans. If no one in the US believes in the US the US will fall to an organized foreign power who does think in their own interest. History is a good teacher of that.

Sorry, but all your assertions are completely wrong.

 

[LAKid53]

Now we're arguing over which generation has suffered more in times of economic crisis? No generation suffered more than the Greatest Generation. Born before or during the Depression (which lasted 10 years) and unemployment rates reached 25% in 1933. It took a war for the US to fully recover from those years - unemployment in 1940 was 15%. So when you Generation X and Y members start talking about how bad things are for you, remember what your grandparents lived through...


From October 1997 forwarded, no single day loss in the market exceeded 8%. However, between October 2007 (when market hit an all time high) and March 2009, the market lost 50% - but over an 18 month period. The largest single day decline? October 19, 1987, when the market dropped 22.6% - and earned the name Black Friday. Millenials were still being born....

BTW, millenials are Generation Y - born between 1977 and 1995, i.e , they came of age during the millennium, hence the name.

All generations took a hit during the Great Recession. However, retirees were impacted the most, as they saw the value of their homes plummet (largest asset owned by most individuals) and their retirement funds shrink. And many of those approaching retirement age delayed retiring for this very reason. I hated opening the statements for my 457 and 405b.... When you're nearing the end of your earnings years, it's nearly impossible to make up losses like these.

 

[21stamps]

Now we're arguing over which generation has suffered more in times of economic crisis? No generation suffered more than the Greatest Generation. Born before or during the Depression (which lasted 10 years) and unemployment rates reached 25% in 1933. It took a war for the US to fully recover from those years - unemployment in 1940 was 15%. So when you Generation X and Y members start talking about how bad things are for you, remember what your grandparents lived through...


From October 1997 forwarded, no single day loss in the market exceeded 8%. However, between October 2007 (when market hit an all time high) and March 2009, the market lost 50% - but over an 18 month period. The largest single day decline? October 19, 1987, when the market dropped 22.6% - and earned the name Black Friday. Millenials were still being born....

BTW, millenials are Generation Y - born between 1977 and 1995, i.e , they came of age during the millennium, hence the name.

All generations took a hit during the Great Recession. However, retirees were impacted the most, as they saw the value of their homes plummet (largest asset owned by most individuals) and their retirement funds shrink. And many of those approaching retirement age delayed retiring for this very reason. I hated opening the statements for my 457 and 405b.... When you're nearing the end of your earnings years, it's nearly impossible to make up losses like these.

No one's arguing, just was a bit odd to see a 25 year old talk about how much their generation has suffered so far. Age alone makes it impossible for them to have gone thru the stock market/housing mess.

No I have not traveled there. I have visited other countries, but lived in Europe so most of my experience is there. While I know people from each of the two you have mentioned, I have never visited personally. None of the people I know are that patriotic but some live there now and some don't so it's not fair to compare. Right now I am actually not leaving US soil for the near future so no checking it out for myself.

One thing for sure though, we are often looked at odd by many other countries for how we act. Our pledge to the flag is especially confusing to most.

As for your last part, maybe they don't believe in God and don't like the song? Or think that the Christianity of it all makes them feel uncomfortable to sing? I used to love that song - now it's with mixed feelings. It might be fine if you are Christian to sing it an like it, but if you are not, then it isn't. While you see it as patriotic only, others do not feel that way. Adding one phrase to the song makes it irrelevant to enough out there to not enjoy it.

I know Americans are proud, and patriotic, and viewed as such..and I love it. I never said otherwise. I mentioned the 2 countries that I did, partly in jest, but also because they are extremely proud.

I don't know the reason why as many people weren't singing it, hopefully had nothing to do with Christianity, as God belongs to more than just Christian religions..but I'm not to stressed over that..I enjoyed it.

 

[correcaminos]

BTW, millenials are Generation Y - born between 1977 and 1995, i.e , they came of age during the millennium, hence the name..

By your definitions your years are off. Coming of age usually means late teens. Those born in the late 70s would have been in their 20s when the millennium hit. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X so that Boomers, Xers, and Millennials cover equal 20-year age spans. I know some try to say '77 but being born in that time frame I can tell you that those who are 40 now are not quite the same as those who are 30 even

 

[21stamps]

By your definitions your years are off. Coming of age usually means late teens. Those born in the late 70s would have been in their 20s when the millennium hit. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X so that Boomers, Xers, and Millennials cover equal 20-year age spans. I know some try to say '77 but being born in that time frame I can tell you that those who are 40 now are not quite the same as those who are 30 even

Agree. I do not consider myself a millennial and I was also born during that time frame.

 

[correcaminos]

I know Americans are proud, and patriotic, and viewed as such..and I love it. I never said otherwise. I mentioned the 2 countries that I did, partly in jest, but also because they are extremely proud.

I don't know the reason why as many people weren't singing it, hopefully had nothing to do with Christianity, as God belongs to more than just Christian religions..but I'm not to stressed over that..I enjoyed it.

Proud and patriotic aren't always the same...

God Bless is rather inclusive. Sorry but it is. Glad you enjoyed it, just adding why some people would care not to sing it. Much like our pledge does the "one nation under God" I even opt not to say "under God" because it isn't right for those who use other terms or have other gods or lack of higher power all together.

Agree. I do not consider myself a millennial and I was also born during that time frame.

My friends who were early 80s feel a little fuzzier about it all, but definitely not the 40 and over group.

The mentality I have heard, is that those who are Gen X were not born to baby boomers. That baby boomers were different in how they thought and dealt with life. My parents were both not baby boomers which definitely put me in another camp too.

 

[LAKid53]

By your definitions your years are off. Coming of age usually means late teens. Those born in the late 70s would have been in their 20s when the millennium hit. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X so that Boomers, Xers, and Millennials cover equal 20-year age spans. I know some try to say '77 but being born in that time frame I can tell you that those who are 40 now are not quite the same as those who are 30 even

I realize there's disagreement regarding the time frames for generations, but here's the link to a study that most use to define the time frames

http://genhq.com/generational_birth_years/

I've seen Boomers pushed to 1965. But as the article states, one characteristic of a generation is a shared defining experience.

Greatest Generation - Depression
Boomers - Kennedy assassination; some historians have stated that if you can't remember JFK being killed, then you're not a Boomer (which precludes those born 1961-1964)
Gen X - Challenger Explosion
Gen Y - 9/11
Gen Z - Great Recession

 

[21stamps]

I realize there's disagreement regarding the time frames for generations, but here's the link to a study that most use to define the time frames

http://genhq.com/generational_birth_years/

I've seen Boomers pushed to 1965. But as the article states, one characteristic of a generation is a shared defining experience.

Greatest Generation - Depression
Boomers - Kennedy assassination; some historians have stated that if you can't remember JFK being killed, then you're not a Boomer (which precludes those born 1961-1964)
Gen X - Challenger Explosion
Gen Y - 9/11
Gen Z - Great Recession

As far as business/advert/marketing purposes, I've always seen the early 80s used for millenials.

 

[correcaminos]

I realize there's disagreement regarding the time frames for generations, but here's the link to a study that most use to define the time frames

http://genhq.com/generational_birth_years/

I've seen Boomers pushed to 1965. But as the article states, one characteristic of a generation is a shared defining experience.

Greatest Generation - Depression
Boomers - Kennedy assassination; some historians have stated that if you can't remember JFK being killed, then you're not a Boomer (which precludes those born 1961-1964)
Gen X - Challenger Explosion
Gen Y - 9/11
Gen Z - Great Recession

That was an ad for finding your Generational Power Index which is a paid site. Though they did say there is some wiggle room.

However as someone born in '77 I was alive and very aware of the Challenger Explosion. NASA came to our school because our teacher was some sort of finalist level of being the teacher going in space. We all watched the explosion on TV in our classrooms.

For 9/11 I was a married adult working full time with a house. I'm pretty sure that puts me well beyond the "coming of age" at that point. The Harvard Study I trust more for dates.

This is more of an FYI thing than arguing, but thought it would be interesting to share since a lot who think they know the dates, didn't really get to see the difference even 5 or 6 years after birth can make.

 

[correcaminos]

As far as business/advert/marketing purposes, I've always seen the early 80s used for millenials.

Same - and there really was a big difference in what we grew up with in those few years!

 

[21stamps]

That was an ad for finding your Generational Power Index which is a paid site. Though they did say there is some wiggle room.

However as someone born in '77 I was alive and very aware of the Challenger Explosion. NASA came to our school because our teacher was some sort of finalist level of being the teacher going in space. We all watched the explosion on TV in our classrooms.

For 9/11 I was a married adult working full time with a house. I'm pretty sure that puts me well beyond the "coming of age" at that point. The Harvard Study I trust more for dates.

This is more of an FYI thing than arguing, but thought it would be interesting to share since a lot who think they know the dates, didn't really grow up in that time the same way.

Same. The late 70s/early 80s people really are in a category of their own...even if technically GenX

 

[21stamps]

Same - and there really was a big difference in what we grew up with in those few years!

Ha ha, yep. See above.

 

[correcaminos]

Same. The late 70s/early 80s people really are in a category of their own...even if technically GenX

Yes yes yes!!!! I'd even say mid 70s since my siblings were in that time as well. I have more in common with what my brother grew up with than those who were born 10 years after him. Technology was growing so fast and while we didn't always have it (unless you had a techno geek family like we did) you had to adapt to it by the time you were a young adult.

 

[LAKid53]

Proud and patriotic aren't always the same...

God Bless is rather inclusive. Sorry but it is. Glad you enjoyed it, just adding why some people would care not to sing it. Much like our pledge does the "one nation under God" I even opt not to say "under God" because it isn't right for those who use other terms or have other gods or lack of higher power all together.


My friends who were early 80s feel a little fuzzier about it all, but definitely not the 40 and over group.

The mentality I have heard, is that those who are Gen X were not born to baby boomers. That baby boomers were different in how they thought and dealt with life. My parents were both not baby boomers which definitely put me in another camp too.

Technically, Boomers could have children born in 1965, just saying. They'd be first year Boomers, like my brother - and would have gotten married & started a family right out of high school. My mother was just 20 when her first child was born and had been married for 14 months.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Proud and patriotic aren't always the same...

God Bless is rather inclusive. Sorry but it is. Glad you enjoyed it, just adding why some people would care not to sing it. Much like our pledge does the "one nation under God" I even opt not to say "under God" because it isn't right for those who use other terms or have other gods or lack of higher power all together.


My friends who were early 80s feel a little fuzzier about it all, but definitely not the 40 and over group.

The mentality I have heard, is that those who are Gen X were not born to baby boomers. That baby boomers were different in how they thought and dealt with life. My parents were both not baby boomers which definitely put me in another camp too.

Do you change it to "One Nation under Canada" ?