Smiley/OCD
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Well then, what country???
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Magic Kingdom not as much patriotic anymore?
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correcaminos
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Hey you be you - I will be me. I am not in agreement at all about a person can never be too patriotic. I am loyal to my family and my religion first. I just happen to live here. There are times I am not proud to live here either, but my options aren't great. But until we treat all people well I won't be totally proud. I used to be. Now? Not as much. Especially by these "patriotic" people who have told me I can leave the country because my family is of a certain background - even though we are all 100% American born and all family came here legally that I can track.
Smiley/OCD
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I will agree with you that there is way too much negativity with people confusing patriotism and extremism. As an American, I am dead set AGAINST so called fanatics, hiding behind the stars & stripes to further their cause...My grandparents came here from Europe thru Ellis Island, and I know they felt discrimination because of their ethnicity, but they were willing to undergo those hardships for a better life. That to me has nothing to do with being patriotic. Do I feel the US is utopia? ABSOLUTELY NOT, but I DO NOT, WILL NOT & WON'T stop defending our country...I have flown a flag outside my home everyday since I bought my home in 1993 and make no apologies for it. I understand that each person has their own reasons for the way that they feel, and that's what's great about the US, that we can even have this conversation without getting thrown in jail for an opposing opinion. Comparing loyalty to family, religion and patriotism is comparing apples, oranges and bananas...it's when you mix the two together the problems start. There are many fringe people who were born here that have those warped ideas, and I condemn them... I am truly sorry that you have had to endure that.
SteamboatJoe
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Patriotism in its true, pure form isn't necessarily bad. Like any other well-intended ideal, philosophy, or religious belief, it is only negative when it is corrupted, weaponized, and used as a guise for more sinister intentions.
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correcaminos
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I was just saying right now I feel loyalty to some things, but not as loyal to my country at this moment. That comes and goes as does my level of patriotism. I also cannot say I will always defend my country. Right now there are things I won't defend and will likely never defend. If our country goes to 'hell in a handbasket' I cannot say I'd defend.
But again that's a difference of opinion. I don't think yours is invalid or less than mine, just different views of everything and I hope you agree we all have a right to our feelings and opinion on it. I don't feel there is a "right" answer to many things like that. The rest of what you said I absolutely agree with. And thank you, we deal with it and travel with passports more often than I care to admit even with domestic travel. We don't let it get us down as I love how diverse the country is. That's something I am proud of
Smiley/OCD
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I TOTALLY AGREEI was just saying right now I feel loyalty to some things, but not as loyal to my country at this moment. That comes and goes as does my level of patriotism. I also cannot say I will always defend my country. Right now there are things I won't defend and will likely never defend. If our country goes to 'hell in a handbasket' I cannot say I'd defend.
But again that's a difference of opinion. I don't think yours is invalid or less than mine, just different views of everything and I hope you agree we all have a right to our feelings and opinion on it. I don't feel there is a "right" answer to many things like that. The rest of what you said I absolutely agree with. And thank you, we deal with it and travel with passports more often than I care to admit even with domestic travel. We don't let it get us down as I love how diverse the country is. That's something I am proud of
correcaminos
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I just have to say it's been a pleasure to discuss even when we don't agree
Not everyone on the internet does that and it's nice to see others doing it!
My grandmother came here with her large Irish Catholic family. She remembered all the No Irish signs. And the comments about the Irish being drunks....she never touched a drop. The discrimination against the Irish, especially Catholic Irish, was so ingrained that a presidential candidate had to explain his allegiance to the Constitution.
This country provided both my parents families great opportunities. My mother's grandparents were from Wales - they did very well. My father's, not so much - that Irish thing. But his parents worked hard and both he and his brother were the first to attend college. Very few members of his extended family made it past grade school. But at times, this country has made me shake my head.
I was just saying right now I feel loyalty to some things, but not as loyal to my country at this moment. That comes and goes as does my level of patriotism. I also cannot say I will always defend my country. Right now there are things I won't defend and will likely never defend. If our country goes to 'hell in a handbasket' I cannot say I'd defend.
But again that's a difference of opinion. I don't think yours is invalid or less than mine, just different views of everything and I hope you agree we all have a right to our feelings and opinion on it. I don't feel there is a "right" answer to many things like that. The rest of what you said I absolutely agree with. And thank you, we deal with it and travel with passports more often than I care to admit even with domestic travel. We don't let it get us down as I love how diverse the country is. That's something I am proud of
Excellent comment. We need to remember that that diversity is part of what has made the United States a beacon to the rest of the world. It's why my family is here. People are still risking their lives to come here.....
Laketravis
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I fly mine in my avatar. I win!
And a fine flag that is..........
Them there's fightin' words.
I ain't askared o you LonghornsAnd a fine flag that is..........
Them there's fightin' words.
Maybe a little
Maybe a lot if you have a ccp 
correcaminos
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My mom talked about that as well. She was Catholic (as am I) and was once fired for being so. Oddly by someone who was Irish Protestant - not labeling but to continue with the thought. You'd think after that person dealt with all the anti-Irish that they would be kinder but sadly it made them more fearful of others I guess. Obviously not all were that way. My dad's side pretty much disowned us because of my mom's heritage. In their case being Catholic didn't help even though they were. My mom's background was too much. Ironically I dug back a few and found that my dad's side had a lot of mixing going on as well - African and middle eastern mixed in with more Euro parts they claimed to distrust.
really makes me shake my head as well...
I am sorry for those who deal with any kid of prejudice. I am hopeful it will end, but the history we have of not being so kind to groups makes me worry it won't.
Very well said!
I ain't askared o you Longhorns
Maybe a littleMaybe a lot if you have a ccp
Texans.....
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Amazing that the religion you practiced made all the difference for Irish immigrants. Jack Kennedy was not the first Irish president - Andrew Jackson was - but he was Scotch-Irish (my grandmother would call him Black Irish)...and Protestant (but probably Presbyterian, not Anglican, but still a WASP).
Yeah...you got a beef with Texans or something??
Not at all. Y'all are just so, Texan.
Edit: Here's my my flag....
And yes, we got the one star idea from Texas....
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correcaminos
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It still does now for some. I've had people tell me I'm not a real Christian. One friend's child was so worried about my soul because I am Catholic. Then went on to bash something we celebrate in my religion (surrounding all saints & souls day). Not so close with that family anymore as I know the kid had to learn it somewhere. But that's true of all prejudice - it is learned, not something you are born with.
Sorry for the tangents here....
I've found my faith to be a great discouragement for those of a particular religion who like to go door to door....
correcaminos
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I'm sorry you've experienced that
It should be a personal thing that others shouldn't judge or comment on.
I'm sorry you've experienced that
I'm not complaining - I've discovered it terminates their attempt to proselytize me. In the past, I tried to politely tell them I'm not interested, but some people can be so persistent. When I mentioned I was Catholic, they looked at me like I'd just sprouted horns and a tail. Needless to say, they fled shortly after that....guess I was beyond saving, lol.