Magic Kingdom evening Extra Magic Hours attraction line-up to change next week

Lee

Lee

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If they need more staff, they should hire them. However, I have a feeling the "decimated" staffing is more hyperbole than fact.
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Ok.
Let's throw that question out to prople on the ground in a position to maybe know a bit about it?
Alektronic? t3techcom18? Tirian? Raven?
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Alektronic said:
Who said anything about maintenance IMPROVEMENTS? It is just to give enough time to do the MINIMUM maintenance requirement to allow the ride to open the next day and if they run into any problems then it is a really tight fit time wise.
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wannab@dis said:
If maintenance was what you wanted, then you would praise their moves to increase maintenance.
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I guess doing the minimum is an improvement.
 
wannab@dis

wannab@dis

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Lee said:
Ok.
Let's throw that question out to prople on the ground in a position to maybe know a bit about it?
Alektronic? t3techcom18? Tirian? Raven?
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Those same people said trimming the hours was for more time for maintenance. They've already shown '74 was completely wrong that it was only for cost cutting.

I have no doubt maintenance crews have been reduced over the years. It's a shame and hopefully they will change that fact. But to claim "decimated" is hyperbole and you know it.
 
Alektronic

Alektronic

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Lee said:
Ok.
Let's throw that question out to prople on the ground in a position to maybe know a bit about it?
Alektronic? t3techcom18? Tirian? Raven?
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I can personally attest to having the maintenance depts shrink to almost minimum levels. When I started there was only 2 parks and now there is 4 and more water parks and resorts. I think we have less people now than before. WE have had plenty of lay offs before, but since 9/11 everything has been shrinking by attrition, when people retire, get fired, quit, or move away, they hardly hire any new people. The rate of outside contractors has increased considerably because of lower costs (initially), but also lower quality workmanship and if it breaks again, then we have to repair their job and then fix it correctly.
 
emarie13

emarie13

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There is nothing better than riding Splash Mountain at night, especially when there is no wait during EMH. I guess I won't get to experience this again. The Tiki Room is not a fair trade, to say the least.
 
Lee

Lee

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wannab@dis said:
Those same people said trimming the hours was for more time for maintenance. They've already shown '74 was completely wrong that it was only for cost cutting.
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But...the needed maintenance is a direct result of cost-cutting. How is that not obvious?:confused:
wannab@dis said:
I have no doubt maintenance crews have been reduced over the years. It's a shame and hopefully they will change that fact. But to claim "decimated" is hyperbole and you know it.
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I do not knowingly deal in "hyperbole". The word "decimated" was used in conversation with me by a CM in a position to know.
Alektronic said:
I can personally attest to having the maintenance depts shrink to almost minimum levels. When I started there was only 2 parks and now there is 4 and more water parks and resorts. I think we have less people now than before. WE have had plenty of lay offs before, but since 9/11 everything has been shrinking by attrition, when people retire, get fired, quit, or move away, they hardly hire any new people. The rate of outside contractors has increased considerably because of lower costs (initially), but also lower quality workmanship and if it breaks again, then we have to repair their job and then fix it correctly.
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This.
 
devoy1701

devoy1701

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tomman710 said:
Can any of the experts answer the question of is this an indefinite move or is this for some determined amount of time?
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I will just say that while we are usually told something is "a temporary change" (though in this case we were not), they don't normally give us an end-date on the temporary change and months later we find that the change is made permanent...

Just saying from experience.
 
mgpan

mgpan

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EMH Hours shrink from 3 to 2.
Attractions removed from EMH.
This lowers the attraction of staying onsite using EMH as a benefit.
Hotel occupancy right now currently lower than desired.
However, hotel occupancy probably won't change drastically as a result of EMH changes.

IF Fastpass+ benefits greater if staying on-site.
Hotel Occupancy hoped by TDO to increase as a result of this benefit.

Result= Reduced operating costs due to EMH changes, increased hotel occupancy plus recoup of Fastpass+ investment due to it now being touted as an onsite benefit. A "win-win."

Possible line of thought?
 
wannab@dis

wannab@dis

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Alektronic said:
I can personally attest to having the maintenance depts shrink to almost minimum levels. When I started there was only 2 parks and now there is 4 and more water parks and resorts. I think we have less people now than before. WE have had plenty of lay offs before, but since 9/11 everything has been shrinking by attrition, when people retire, get fired, quit, or move away, they hardly hire any new people. The rate of outside contractors has increased considerably because of lower costs (initially), but also lower quality workmanship and if it breaks again, then we have to repair their job and then fix it correctly.
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Appreciate your post, but really not a lot of facts and certainly not an indicator of "decimated" maintenance.
 
devoy1701

devoy1701

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wannab@dis said:
Appreciate your post, but really not a lot of facts and certainly not an indicator of "decimated" maintenance.
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You're a pretty comical individual. We already know that maintenance teams have been cut while the areas they control have gotten larger. Teams used to be assigned to individual attractions (or a small set of attractions) and they now are responsible for whole lands or even larger segments of the parks! We know that their used to be specialized teams for painting, mechanics, AA, or what have you but if I recall that isn't the case anymore. And we have a CM who's been with the company for 20+ years weighing in and you still purposely ignore sound reasoning.
 
wannab@dis

wannab@dis

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Lee said:
But...the needed maintenance is a direct result of cost-cutting. How is that not obvious?:confused:

I do not knowingly deal in "hyperbole". The word "decimated" was used in conversation with me by a CM in a position to know.

This.
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As attractions get older, they need more maintenance. You have not shown anything other than conjecture that increasing maintenance equals cost cutting. In fact, it's the opposite. So, the "decimated" is hear-say? Sorry, not buying it.

Here's my issue. If some people would put away their agendas and deal in facts, they would be better off. Of course, it wouldn't whip the fanboi groupies into a lather and, well, they would take a lot of fun out of the ego stroking, I'm sure. (not directed necessarily at you Lee)

The fact is, a lot of refurbs and updates have been taking place all over MK. It appears they are improving their maintenance. Praise the increase and push for even more.
 
PeoplemoverTTA

PeoplemoverTTA

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tomman710 said:
Sure people like the transportation and gift delivery services but come on the real draw of staying on property is Disney theming AND maybe even more importantly EMH ... if you deemphasize EMH or make them less special by a) making them shorter and b) cutting back attractions people care about ... then what reason will people have to stay on property?

So the money may even out ... the money they may "save" from cutting back EMH and attractions they could "lose" in guests deciding to stay off property.
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I've stayed off property now regularly for several years, and I thought I would miss the delivery of packages to my resort (as well as not dealing with a rental car or "losing the magic," whatever that means). Surprisingly, I have found off property stays to be excellent -- even superior -- to staying on WDW property. Cheap rental car rates are out there. Reasonable stays at 3- and 4-star hotels (Use Priceline - it's your friend! I regularly stay at 3 1/2 star hotels for $49, within 10 minutes of DHS/Epcot, including this past June). Travel time between parks was cut in half or more because I wasn't waiting for buses. And, if I had large packages, I simply sent them to the front of the park (just as easy as picking up in a crowded gift shop at 11pm, imho).

An on-site stay in WDW largely lost its value to me about 2 years ago. These cuts are honestly getting to the point where they are laughable. I'm staying at AS Sports in two weeks because I finally got a reasonable passholder rate ($66). I'm looking forward to comparing it to my June trip with an off-site stay and rental car. Should be interesting!
 
captainkidd

captainkidd

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wannab@dis said:
As attractions get older, they need more maintenance. You have not shown anything other than conjecture that increasing maintenance equals cost cutting. In fact, it's the opposite. So, the "decimated" is hear-say? Sorry, not buying it.

Here's my issue. If some people would put away their agendas and deal in facts, they would be better off. Of course, it wouldn't whip the fanboi groupies into a lather and, well, they would take a lot of fun out of the ego stroking, I'm sure. (not directed necessarily at you Lee)

The fact is, a lot of refurbs and updates have been taking place all over MK. It appears they are improving their maintenance. Praise the increase and push for even more.
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I don't follow much of what you post, but on this thread, every one of your posts has been condescending. Are they always like that?
 
PeoplemoverTTA

PeoplemoverTTA

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SeanC said:
Could all be part of a plan to phase out EMH altogether over time? Shorter the hours, swap then reduce attractions (I remember Jungle Cruise being open several years ago, though maybe that was a swap for something closed at the time, don't know). Maybe the long term plan is to have FastPast+ replace EMH as the onsite perk but they don't want to do it abruptly.
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Great point. Start lessening the product until attendance deteriorates and TDO can justify cutting something altogether. Sound familiar?

*cough* PI *cough*
 

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