Magic Kingdom 50th Anniversary Plans

JoeCamel

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There are plenty of things WDW needs to maintain its status as a top vacation destination. The single most important is a nighttime parade at Magic Kingdom on the same scale as Tokyo’s Dreamlights.
How long has it been without one and has attendance dropped during that time?
 

mnelson3

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I still don’t understand why they can’t run FoF at night. Just like DLs daytime parades they look much better at night, as would FoF. We have already seen how cool the Maleficent dragon looks during the after hours event. All they need to do is permanently install parade route lighting, which the hub already has.
 

Squishy

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I still don’t understand why they can’t run FoF at night. Just like DLs daytime parades they look much better at night, as would FoF. We have already seen how cool the Maleficent dragon looks during the after hours event. All they need to do is permanently install parade route lighting, which the hub already has.
Cause the floats don't have proper lighting like Magic Happens, they only have tiny led lights like seen on the first unit in Magic Happens.
 

mnelson3

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Cause the floats don't have proper lighting like Magic Happens, they only have tiny led lights like seen on the first unit in Magic Happens.
Well, If we don’t get a new day or night parade, they should at least update the floats to have onboard lighting. It can be done just like the seasonal parades. Although lighting that interacts with the music may be more complicated.
We know the hub lights can interact with music, but unfortunately the rest of the route doesn’t have that. Been wondering if that will eventually happen.
 
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TrainChasers

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How long has it been without one and has attendance dropped during that time?
And that is the problem. What’s interesting to me is that parades are very popular with guests, it’s not like smaller atmopshere acts that some guests see, and some don’t. Cutting parades back is probably the boldest move Disney parks has made actually.

With the attendance numbers where they are, each park should be getting a new parade for the 50th.
 

MadTeacup

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And that is the problem. What’s interesting to me is that parades are very popular with guests, it’s not like smaller atmopshere acts that some guests see, and some don’t. Cutting parades back is probably the boldest move Disney parks has made actually.

With the attendance numbers where they are, each park should be getting a new parade for the 50th.
But on paper parades don't make money. Why would you spend money on something with no calculable return on investment? The shareholders will never see its value in an earnings report.

Also, I don't ever want a parade at DAK again. MJJ was cute, but it made it so difficult to get around the park. At EPCOT I'd rather see more atmospheric entertainment in lieu of a parade.

If they built new parades, I'd want to see a night parade at MK and a new day parade at DHS (either Pixar or a similar concept to Lights, Stars, and Motor Cars). FoF could maybe get an update or an additional unit (there's at least 2 that were designed), but it's one of the strongest day parades we've ever seen in the parks. There's no need to outright replace it when it's still so highly rated.
 

A Noble Fish

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But on paper parades don't make money. Why would you spend money on something with no calculable return on investment? The shareholders will never see its value in an earnings report.

Also, I don't ever want a parade at DAK again. MJJ was cute, but it made it so difficult to get around the park. At EPCOT I'd rather see more atmospheric entertainment in lieu of a parade.

If they built new parades, I'd want to see a night parade at MK and a new day parade at DHS (either Pixar or a similar concept to Lights, Stars, and Motor Cars). FoF could maybe get an update or an additional unit (there's at least 2 that were designed), but it's one of the strongest day parades we've ever seen in the parks. There's no need to outright replace it when it's still so highly rated.
I agree, just maybe some costume updates here and there, and a couple of new floats. It's a solid parade, but Magic Happens is much better than expected so some updates to the current iteration would be welcome.

In the meantime, if you have seen Dreamlights over in Tokyo, you'll understand why people say it's as good as a fireworks replacement. It's spectacular. Dreamlights is in a league of its own, but Paint the Night, and even the Electrical Parade and SpectroMagic are all really solid additions to the parks. It's almost like another E-ticket for park guests, and alongside the psychology of a fireworks show, helps people remember the good aspects of your day. More return trips = more profit.

I would like to point out that John Debney did the music for both Phantom Manor and SpectroMagic and quite a few films. A little recognition goes a long way for a legend like that, and hardly anyone knows who he is.
 

MadTeacup

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I agree, just maybe some costume updates here and there, and a couple of new floats. It's a solid parade, but Magic Happens is much better than expected so some updates to the current iteration would be welcome.
Interesting how people are reacting to Magic Happens. I've found reactions to be quite polarizing. I'm personally not a fan of it, though I can understand why others like it. For me, the costumes have a little too much going on in them and I am not a fan of the soundtrack. If there's one thing that most people agree on, it's that the floats are beautiful (except for the bronze sorcerer's hat.) Having said this, I think just about any of the Magic Happens units would fit into FoF quite nicely.

In the meantime, if you have seen Dreamlights over in Tokyo, you'll understand why people say it's as good as a fireworks replacement. It's spectacular. Dreamlights is in a league of its own, but Paint the Night, and even the Electrical Parade and SpectroMagic are all really solid additions to the parks. It's almost like another E-ticket for park guests, and alongside the psychology of a fireworks show, helps people remember the good aspects of your day. More return trips = more profit.
You're preaching to the choir. I want a new, high-quality night parade more than anything. To further prove your point, my oldest memory of the Magic Kingdom is from watching Spectro for the first time. Unfortunately, that kind of long-term investment on nostalgia isn't something that can be calculated. Hopefully the parks will remember the importance of these memorable shows and choose to invest in them.

I would like to point out that John Debney did the music for both Phantom Manor and SpectroMagic and quite a few films. A little recognition goes a long way for a legend like that, and hardly anyone knows who he is.
Debney is absolutely fantastic. I wouldn't mind if Disney tapped him again for a future soundtrack. Unfortunately (for me, at least), Magic Happens is an example where name recognition does not correlate to a good soundtrack. I am not the biggest fan of Todrick Hall's original songs.
 

Rich Brownn

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But on paper parades don't make money. Why would you spend money on something with no calculable return on investment? The shareholders will never see its value in an earnings report.

Also, I don't ever want a parade at DAK again. MJJ was cute, but it made it so difficult to get around the park. At EPCOT I'd rather see more atmospheric entertainment in lieu of a parade.

If they built new parades, I'd want to see a night parade at MK and a new day parade at DHS (either Pixar or a similar concept to Lights, Stars, and Motor Cars). FoF could maybe get an update or an additional unit (there's at least 2 that were designed), but it's one of the strongest day parades we've ever seen in the parks. There's no need to outright replace it when it's still so highly rated.
EPCOT had one of the best parades ever done in a Disney park though :) "Tapestry of Nations". Also an ear worm of music...
 

Rich Brownn

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Interesting how people are reacting to Magic Happens. I've found reactions to be quite polarizing. I'm personally not a fan of it, though I can understand why others like it. For me, the costumes have a little too much going on in them and I am not a fan of the soundtrack. If there's one thing that most people agree on, it's that the floats are beautiful (except for the bronze sorcerer's hat.) Having said this, I think just about any of the Magic Happens units would fit into FoF quite nicely.


You're preaching to the choir. I want a new, high-quality night parade more than anything. To further prove your point, my oldest memory of the Magic Kingdom is from watching Spectro for the first time. Unfortunately, that kind of long-term investment on nostalgia isn't something that can be calculated. Hopefully the parks will remember the importance of these memorable shows and choose to invest in them.


Debney is absolutely fantastic. I wouldn't mind if Disney tapped him again for a future soundtrack. Unfortunately (for me, at least), Magic Happens is an example where name recognition does not correlate to a good soundtrack. I am not the biggest fan of Todrick Hall's original songs.
My one complaint with Specto's music was .... its a waltz. That is not something that gets people hyped up. <Also a rather lackluster beginning and end compared to MSEP>
 

trainplane3

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My one complaint with Specto's music was .... its a waltz. That is not something that gets people hyped up. <Also a rather lackluster beginning and end compared to MSEP>
It felt grand, that's probably why I enjoyed Spectro over MSEP. After hearing MSEP and watching about 5 minutes, I left. It sounded cheap and looked cheap, which is fine considering how old it is. I respect the history of MSEP but it didn't fit MK at all.
 

TrainChasers

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But on paper parades don't make money.
Parades and Fireworks are attractions though. Attractions make money because they bring people into the parks.

I mean Disneyland ran an entire commercial campaign for the return of the Electrical Parade, you don’t run commercials and billboards for things that don’t bring in guests.

So I would argue that they do make money on paper.

The current management team is very against live entertainers, cutting them from rivers of light, cutting them from galaxies edge, cutting parades and shows.... it is quite odd to me actually. I’m surprised we still have the big budget castle show.
 

jrhwdw

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Parades and Fireworks are attractions though. Attractions make money because they bring people into the parks.

I mean Disneyland ran an entire commercial campaign for the return of the Electrical Parade, you don’t run commercials and billboards for things that don’t bring in guests.

So I would argue that they do make money on paper.

The current management team is very against live entertainers, cutting them from rivers of light, cutting them from galaxies edge, cutting parades and shows.... it is quite odd to me actually. I’m surprised we still have the big budget castle show.
DON'T NOT GIVE TDO IDEAS about MRFF!!!!!!

About Entertainment making crowds and money.......Didn't MK see a need for HEA? if Attendance wasn't a problem after MSEP went home, we would still have Wishes right?
 
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