Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Chi84]

Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

I figured we could create a thread to discuss all things Disney, and their box office performance, instead of littering the various threads. Disney has had success in the last couple of years (No Way Home, Dr. Strange, Avatar, etc.), and pretty big box office blunders (Lightyear, Strange...

forums.wdwmagic.com

No littering!

 

[Disney Irish]

Wait, British citizens paid for this movie?!? OH MY GOD...

The UK, just like the US, provides tax rebates to studios to entice them to film movies there as a way to help local economies. Each state in the US does the exact same thing as does Canada.

So no British citizens did not pay for the movie. All that was done was a tax rebate was provided that allowed Disney to offset the cost of production by said rebate.

 

[Disney Irish]

Agree. At this point they've lost the money; the movie is done. Releasing something inoffensive that winds up as another bounced off piece of media for DTC is better than the choices Zaslav has made at WBD.

It's probably only a mistake at this point to forge ahead if the movie can't break around 200m worldwide. More or less covering what they are spending in theatrical pre-opening marketing. I don't think it will do that bad. But it could surprise us and perform like Mermaid domestically and then stronger internationally.

I think it'll break $200M WW with relative ease, despite the "controversy". As long as its a half way decent movie it'll bring in people especially outside the US who don't care about any of the comments from an actress, basically perform similar as you said to Mermaid.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I think it'll break $200M WW with relative ease, despite the "controversy". As long as its a half way decent movie it'll bring in people especially outside the US who don't care about any of the comments from an actress, basically perform similar as you said to Mermaid.

It’s all going to come down to reviews and word of mouth, I was surprised that TLM made over $500 million worldwide so if the reviews are even decent I wouldn’t be surprised if this does similar.

Whether it’ll break even depends on how much they ultimately spent, $500 million seems to be the low end break even point, a billion seems to be the high end break even point, personally I think anything less than $100 million in losses would be considered a success given the controversies, delays, etc.

Disney made a bundle off IO2 and Deadpool so they can easily absorb $100 million, if it loses $300 million plus it’s going to offset a huge chunk of the years box office though.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s all going to come down to reviews and word of mouth, I was surprised that TLM made over $500 million worldwide so if the reviews are even decent I wouldn’t be surprised if this does similar.

Whether it’ll break even depends on how much they ultimately spent, $500 million seems to be the low end break even point, a billion seems to be the high end break even point, personally I think anything less than $100 million in losses would be considered a success given the controversies, delays, etc.

Disney made a bundle off IO2 and Deadpool so they can easily absorb $100 million, if it loses $300 million plus it’s going to offset a huge chunk of the years box office though.

Disney has at least 12 theatrical releases in 2025, this is but one. So I think they will be fine even if this one ends up losing money. They made it through 2023, which seems so long ago now, they can make it through this movies release too no matter the outcome.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Disney has at least 12 theatrical releases in 2025, this is but one. So I think they will be fine even if this one ends up losing money. They made it through 2023, which seems so long ago now, they can make it through this movies release too no matter the outcome.

Next year will be interesting, half the movies look like sure things, the other half look like they’ll struggle to break even. They look to have a few billion dollar movies though that should cover any losses.

 

[Disney Irish]

Next year will be interesting, half the movies look like sure things, the other half look like they’ll struggle to break even. They look to have a few billion dollar movies though that should cover any losses.

Agreed, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. But much like 2024 I think 2025 will be a positive year for Disney theatrically no matter what happens with this movie.

 

[Chi84]

There’s a reason the troops have dissipated. Disney realized they took it too far with Strange World and Lightyear as the majority were not on board and the movies bombed. As Disney started to focus on entertainment/ stories that appeal to the average American family and stay away from themes cooked up by young childless Progressives from Silverlake, CA their fortunes have turned around and as you say the troops have begun to dissipate. You still have people of course that have written off Disney and are not back on board and may never be. But that’s a much smaller group.

You trying to stir up all that “majority” stuff again? It’s exhausting.

Why not just enjoy Disney as it is? It’s not changing.

 

[Chi84]

lt already has

It’s kind of funny because Disney has always been progressive and inclusive in nature, but as in all forms of entertainment there are hits and misses.

I don’t understand the need to feel validated by claiming to represent some type of majority.

Can’t people just enjoy the films they like and not see the ones they don’t? There’s enough variety for a wide range of viewers.

We just returned from WDW and there is something for everyone in the parks. The movies should be the same.

 

[mickEblu]

It’s kind of funny because Disney has always been progressive and inclusive in nature, but as in all forms of entertainment there are hits and misses.

I don’t understand the need to feel validated by claiming to represent some type of majority.

Can’t people just enjoy the films they like and not see the ones they don’t? There’s enough variety for a wide range of viewers.

We just returned from WDW and there is something for everyone in the parks. The movies should be the same.

I’m just explaining what happened and reality. Disney doesn’t want to keep losing money on movies. You might see some of those themes on Disney + shows but they won’t be nearly as bold and you probably won’t see it in a Disney animated feature film anytime soon.

 

[Chi84]

Lol. All these predate Strange World and Lightyear or were much less aggressive. Le Fou was funny and it wasn’t overt. I didn’t have any issues with it. Those other two characters are extras /side characters and their back stories are put in there for adults. Kids have no idea what’s going on with those. Let me know the next time you see any of the following happening with main characters - two teenage boys crushing or two women kissing in Disney animated feature film anytime soon and I’ll eat my words.

I hope you never turn on your television.

 

[Chi84]

I’m just explaining what happened and reality. Disney doesn’t want to keep losing money on movies. You might see some of those themes on Disney + shows but they won’t be nearly as bold and you probably won’t see it in a Disney animated feature film anytime soon.

Are you really qualified to explain what happened or reality, though?

I mean, you can speak for yourself but it’s just your opinion. It doesn’t hold any more weight just because you say so or claim the support of “the majority.”

There is so much Disney content to enjoy. But not everything has to be for everyone. Disney understands that and always has.

 

[mickEblu]

You may want to actually watch Agatha All Along before making such assumptions.

That’s a Disney + show and PG 13 if I’m not mistaken? I said you wouldn’t be seeing it in PG Disney animated film anytime soon. I haven’t seen Agatha All Along but apparently it’s the “Gayest” Marvel show ever or something according to some interviewer that was interviewing what’s her name from White Lotus? How are the ratings?

 

[mickEblu]

You also said what I quoted and were mistaken.


Excellent! The show is a critical and commercial hit.

I don’t know if I’m mistaken as I haven’t seen the show but is this where you try to get hung up on a technicality because you can’t stand the truth and reality of what I said? My main point was Disney will try to have their cake and eat it too. You ll see those themes on PG 13 shows on Disney + but won’t see them in any major ways with major characters in Disney animated feature films anytime soon.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t know if I’m mistaken as I haven’t seen the show but is this where you try to get hung up on a technicality because you can’t stand the truth and reality of what I said? My main point was Disney will try to have their cake and eat it too. You ll see those themes on PG 13 shows on Disney + but won’t see them in any major ways with major characters in Disney animated feature films anytime soon.

I think the point is its not just "themes", Agatha All Along was outright basically in your face in terms of representation, including having the two main female leads kiss for quite a long time. And it was highly rated, better than 80% favorable rating on most rating sites.

Look I have no dog in this fight as it were, but to say that Disney is not going to continue to be progressive in terms of representation due to a few movies that performed badly is in my opinion incorrect. They will back off a bit to make it seem like they are doing something to appease one side, but in the end they will continue to march forward just as they have for decades.

Also none of this has anything to do with this movie in this thread.

 

[Chi84]

I don’t know if I’m mistaken as I haven’t seen the show but is this where you try to get hung up on a technicality because you can’t stand the truth and reality of what I said? My main point was Disney will try to have their cake and eat it too. You ll see those themes on PG 13 shows on Disney + but won’t see them in any major ways with major characters in Disney animated feature films anytime soon.

I don’t understand why establishing your opinion as “truth” is so important to you.

Of course Disney wants to entertain everyone! That’s its business. It’s not taking anything away from you to make others feel welcome and included.

 

[mickEblu]

I don’t understand why establishing your opinion as “truth” is so important to you.

Of course Disney wants to entertain everyone! That’s its business. It’s not taking anything away from you to make others feel welcome and included.

Right but they won’t be pulling a Strange World or Lightyear anytime soon for reasons I’ve already mentioned.

 

[mickEblu]

I think the point is its not just "themes", Agatha All Along was outright basically in your face in terms of representation, including having the two main female leads kiss for quite a long time. And it was highly rated, better than 80% favorable rating on most rating sites.

Look I have no dog in this fight as it were, but to say that Disney is not going to continue to be progressive in terms of representation due to a few movies that performed badly is in my opinion incorrect. They will back off a bit to make it seem like they are doing something to appease one side, but in the end they will continue to march forward just as they have for decades.

Also none of this has anything to do with this movie in this thread.

Exactly. They are already backing off and maybe will try again in 5-10 years. We’ll see but I’m betting you won’t see anything as overt in a Disney animated feature film for at least 10 years. Leadership changes and/ or People forget and make the same mistakes again.

 

[mickEblu]

Anyone who’s watched the show, and even the most cursory glance at anything (positive or negative) published online about it, will tell you that it far, far outstrips Lightyear or Strange World in terms of its queer representation. Its male lead, played by the wonderful Joe Locke of Heartstopper fame, is an openly gay teenage boy portrayed in affectionate interactions with his boyfriend, while Agatha and Rio are long implied to have a romantic history before confirming it by engaging in a full-on kiss (the first lesbian kiss in Marvel history apparently).

You say I’m getting caught up in technicalities when I’m merely responding to the claim you yourself made, exactly as you made it. You’ve now qualified that claim so that the Agatha example no longer undermines it. That you had to do so should tell you something. Perhaps the very clear-cut shift you’ve pointed isn’t as clear as all that.

Ok so you are doing what I said. Got it.

 

[Chi84]

Exactly. They are already backing off and maybe will try again in 5-10 years. We’ll see but I’m betting you won’t see anything as overt in a Disney animated feature film for at least 10 years. Leadership changes and/ or People forget and make the same mistakes again.

People don’t forget. They change and grow.