LittleBuford
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I laughed because I assumed the pun was intended. But I also
the message behind the joke. For my own sake as much as out of respect for the mission of this forum, I need to act on your call.
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the message behind the joke. For my own sake as much as out of respect for the mission of this forum, I need to act on your call.
LittleBuford
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I think most of us are here for a little magic between trips, unfortunately there often isn’t much to talk about recently so I think we get sidetracked on things like this that would otherwise be irrelevant. I’d much rather be talking about new rides, new shows, new parades, etc but until Disney starts building more there’s not a whole lot to talk about but mundane stuff like “controversial” comments by a SW actor.
I also think you’re being too hard on yourself by saying you are a leading contributor, you argue in good faith, which is the main reason I respond to so many of your comments while ignoring others, we are frequently on opposite sides of arguments (although I suspect our views are probably closer together in reality than it appears in text) but I like that you have valid posts, and don’t result to name calling, which is how opposing viewpoint discussions should happen.
Even though I enjoy talking politics I do my best to avoid replying to overtly political posts (since it’s banned) but it’s often hard to completely avoid since politics is so intertwined with everything now. For every post I reply to there’s probably 10 where I bite my tongue and just let them go.
LittleBuford
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Thanks for your kind words. I feel much the same about your posting style.
What brought some of this home for me was a trip to WDW last month. I had an amazing time! Yet marring my enjoyment were multiple moments when I thought back to all the negativity on these boards. There’s still so much joy to be found in Disney (and this website), and it’s really my responsibility to stick to what makes me happy rather than involve myself in all the needless and off-topic anger. A good start would be to follow your lead and learn to bite my tongue, which is something I’m admittedly very bad at.
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TP2000
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Great point. Thus my comparison to being lectured to about personal opinions from a plumber or shoe salesman. An actress needs to stick to doing her acting job for money and be quiet with her customers otherwise.
What's also a huge problem here is that Miss Zegler is very young at only 23 years old, with almost no life experiences, and she has a high school diploma from a Catholic school in suburban New Jersey to her name. Miss Zegler never attended any college or trade school after she graduated the 12th grade in 2019.
This is not a person who appears to have the background, personal experiences, or education to lecture anyone on just about anything, aside from her natural God given talents as an actress.
TP2000
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Great question, but at this point I'm afraid its hard to say. Before Snow White was pulled from its original March '24 release date and sent back for heavy reworking for a year, it had spent $270 Million on just its production budget. Using the basic formula here that it would have received $100 Million for marketing, it would have needed $740 Million to break even if it had been released last March. (Give or take $50 Million based on domestic/overseas ticket sales mix)
But now? The reworks and rewrites to the movie, plus the year long delay, have added to the $270 Million already spent on it back in 2023. We'll have to wait until March, 2025 when we get some solid reporting on its budget and its marketing just prior to its opening to learn the new total required for breakeven. Usually reputable trade media like Variety and The Hollywood Reporter will get that budget info on a big tentpole movie like this.
A few folks here as I skimmed this thread this afternoon have thrown out the $1 Billion breakeven point, and that could be accurate. It needed $740 Million to breakeven a year ago, and its rework and rewrite costs have only ballooned since then.
Suffice it to say, I doubt that Snow White will break even in its theatrical run in the spring of 2025. Just a gut instinct.
Disney Reveals ‘Snow White’ Remake Is Set To Blow Its Budget
Disney has revealed that the cost of making its live action Snow White ballooned to $269.4 million by the end of 2023 putting it on course to blow its budget more than a year before release.
www.forbes.com
Disney Irish
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$675M is breakeven if you're using the all-agreed upon 2.5x budget formula based on the $270M budget numbers you're using. However we know that isn't the whole story. As reported by Forbes based on the UK filings that are required for all UK based movie productions, the actual budget when you include all reimbursements is actually $214M (when rounded up).Great question, but at this point I'm afraid its hard to say. Before Snow White was pulled from its original March '24 release date and sent back for heavy reworking for a year, it had spent $270 Million on just its production budget. Using the basic formula here that it would have received $100 Million for marketing, it would have needed $740 Million to break even if it had been released last March. (Give or take $50 Million based on domestic/overseas ticket sales mix)
But now? The reworks and rewrites to the movie, plus the year long delay, have added to the $270 Million already spent on it back in 2023. We'll have to wait until March, 2025 when we get some solid reporting on its budget and its marketing just prior to its opening to learn the new total required for breakeven. Usually reputable trade media like Variety and The Hollywood Reporter will get that budget info on a big tentpole movie like this.
A few folks here as I skimmed this thread this afternoon have thrown out the $1 Billion breakeven point, and that could be accurate. It needed $740 Million to breakeven a year ago, and its rework and rewrite costs have only ballooned since then.
Suffice it to say, I doubt that Snow White will break even in its theatrical run in the spring of 2025. Just a gut instinct.
Disney Reveals ‘Snow White’ Remake Is Set To Blow Its Budget
Disney has revealed that the cost of making its live action Snow White ballooned to $269.4 million by the end of 2023 putting it on course to blow its budget more than a year before release.
So that puts the actual breakeven at $535M WW.
LittleBuford
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I find it sad that Zegler’s education level is now being wielded in criticism against her. Talk about wildly irrelevant and elitist.
Oh my god.Great question, but at this point I'm afraid its hard to say. Before Snow White was pulled from its original March '24 release date and sent back for heavy reworking for a year, it had spent $270 Million on just its production budget. Using the basic formula here that it would have received $100 Million for marketing, it would have needed $740 Million to break even if it had been released last March. (Give or take $50 Million based on domestic/overseas ticket sales mix)
But now? The reworks and rewrites to the movie, plus the year long delay, have added to the $270 Million already spent on it back in 2023. We'll have to wait until March, 2025 when we get some solid reporting on its budget and its marketing just prior to its opening to learn the new total required for breakeven. Usually reputable trade media like Variety and The Hollywood Reporter will get that budget info on a big tentpole movie like this.
A few folks here as I skimmed this thread this afternoon have thrown out the $1 Billion breakeven point, and that could be accurate. It needed $740 Million to breakeven a year ago, and its rework and rewrite costs have only ballooned since then.
Suffice it to say, I doubt that Snow White will break even in its theatrical run in the spring of 2025. Just a gut instinct.
Disney Reveals ‘Snow White’ Remake Is Set To Blow Its Budget
Disney has revealed that the cost of making its live action Snow White ballooned to $269.4 million by the end of 2023 putting it on course to blow its budget more than a year before release.
Just casually setting 750 Million on fire.
Time to raise the price of whatever they are calling G+ this month.
TP2000
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That was me, who pointed out that she never attended college after graduating from high school in 2019.
If a random 23 year old girl with a high school diploma to her name and limited work experience showed up on my front porch telling me who she thinks I should vote for in federal or local elections, who to root for in foreign wars, or what color to paint my guest bedroom, I wouldn't listen to her. Same with Miss Zegler with her Tweets.
LittleBuford
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She didn’t show up on your front porch or lecture you mid-job; she posted on her personal social-media account in her capacity as a private individual. If you choose to pay attention, that’s on you.
LittleBuford
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I don’t think he’s a prince in this version, but I agree he’s very handsome!
TP2000
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Like I said, we'll just have to wait until next March to see what, if any, budgetary financials are released by reputable sources for this movie. For instance, Disney went on record saying they spent $140 Million in marketing for Little Mermaid, more than half the production budget which is generally the rule of thumb for marketing budgets.
If we get more info on Disney bailing on this movie (likely) by lowballing its marketing budget, we can factor that in. Also, that Forbes article I linked to explained how this movie was filmed in the UK and thus got a tax rebate of $40+ courtesy of the British taxpayer, so that has to be factored in to whatever the budget final tally is in 2025.
But until then, we are stuck using the last known dollar figure of $270 Million on production as of late 2023. That production budget will likely have grown noticeably by the time Snow White mercifully gets to theaters four months from now.
It's incredible, isn't it? It's that exact wasteful phenomenon that brought me to this little corner of the forums a couple years ago. The Parks are lowering standards and cutting back on offerings all over the place, and yet the Studios are vaporizing hundreds of millions of dollars every year with seemingly little care.
Burbank and all of its Official Good People have had to rethink their strategy, much less the way they communicate and treat their paying customers out in the hinterlands. But I'm not sure they can course correct fast enough.
I wish them luck though, as even Bob Iger now realizes (and admits publicly) the huge mistakes made circa 2018-2023.
I’m not sure how they course correct at all when this is so deeply embedded in the culture of the company.
If Bob can turn this around he has my respect but nothing he has done indicates he is capable.
BrianLo
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That's how much it would take to break even (inflated, but I don't care to argue), not how much they'd actually lose. If they walked away right now and wrote the movie off completely, the company would lose about 200 million and save the rest on taxes.
As is they are mostly burning marketing money to release it and not really come out ahead from a loss perspective, other than having the movie be usable in the future and not buried/written off.
They clearly feel there is enough potential to try to release it. I'm not super optimistic either.
LittleBuford
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I feel it’s either going to flop as many of us expect or surprise everyone by doing quite well.They clearly feel there is enough potential to try to release it. I'm not super optimistic either.
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