Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

Disstevefan1

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I'd take everything that's being tossed out right now as FUD. The next four years won't be like the next four years. Wait and see.

We do know that the public vitriol of one of the actresses has expressed will be detrimental to how the public will receive anything she appears in going forward.
TWDC will do what it will do.

They will make the movies they want to make. I honestly believe making money is not the priority in "Todays Disney" movie business.

In "Todays Disney" theme park business however, MAKING MONEY IS THE ONLY PRIORITY.
 

Cliff

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Disney makes films for broad audiences. Some do well, some don’t. Contrary to the narrative that certain posters have tried to promote here, it’s impossible to attribute the success or failure of any given film or show to how “modern” it is (I assume you’re using that term as a euphemism for “woke”).
Woah...woah...easy there on that "W" word. I was told it is a triggering word that is not allowed to be used on this forum. Mods...I did not say it. It was not me.

The term "modern audience" was not created by me. The debate about the size and power and influence of this demographic was also not created by me.

I don't even claim to know the answer to these questions. I'm only asking what Forum folks here think about it and if they think Snow White can benifit from the supposed demographic.
 
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Disstevefan1

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Disney makes films for broad audiences they want to make. Some do well, some don’t. Contrary to the narrative that certain posters have tried to promote here, it’s impossible to attribute the success or failure of any given film or show to how “modern” it is (I assume you’re using that term as a euphemism for “woke”).
FIFY ;)
 

erasure fan1

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Her post wasn’t denying the Holocaust. Rather, she was comparing the treatment of her own political community to that of the Jews under Nazism.
Correct, she wasn't denying it. But she wasn't really doing what you're saying either. Her comments were ill advised either way and it was a bad comparison to make. But the problem is a lot of people on both sides want to overstate the person on the opposite side and underplay the person on their side. BOTH should have just kept it to themselves, they're both wrong.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
You’re assuming all those people know or care about Zegler’s social-media posts. I really don’t think the public at large is nearly as invested in these things as some of the posters here are.
Even the ones who are rarely pull numbers out of their . . . let’s just say thin air.
 

Trauma

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I’m not sure how one can lay this at Disney’s feet. They’re not the ones who posted it.

Also, it’s too late to make her move on or cancel anything; the film is basically completed at this point.
You know this film is going to lose massive amounts of money and also be terrible PR for Disney.

I’m sure if they cancel it now it can be a tax write off.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I really don’t think the public at large is nearly as invested in these things as some of the posters here are.
I think it’s safe to say the vast majority don’t follow Disney like we do, but even if it’s only 10% that saw/heard about the controversy that’s about ten million adults.

It’s not nearly as drastic as 75 million but it’s still a sizable chunk of potential ticket sales that may have been lost due to her outspoken views.

Disney can’t be happy about that.
 
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Trauma

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I know I’m breaking forum rules so I’ll stop after this. Please post your rebuttals though as I’m genuinely interested in your response.

For years now Disney movies have been struggling and people have been trying to say it’s because of the clearly forced political messaging in the movies.

Those people have been shouted down and told they are just a small racist, sexist group of idiots in their Moms basements review bombing Star Wars movies.

It turns out however that they just might have been right.

Maybe the majority of the country doesn’t want forced political messaging in movies, and just wants to go enjoy a show.

Having your actress go off on a hissy fit about the majority of the country is not a good look.

I know most people are not paying attention, but why was that not an acceptable excuse for Gina Carano?
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I think it’s safe to say the vast majority don’t follow Disney like we do, but even if it’s only 10% that saw/heard about the controversy that’s about ten million adults.

It’s not nearly as drastic as 75 million but it’s still a sizable chunk of potential ticket sales that may have been lost due to her outspoken views.

Disney can’t be happy about that.
I think you’re also missing the target audience. Sure there are a good number of adult Disney fans but it looks like this film is directed toward young kids.

If my grandkids see the ads and want to see the movie, my kids will take them. It would be an extremely odd decision to deny them based on some adult nonsense.
 
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erasure fan1

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How would you interpret her post? Here it is quoted exactly:

“Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”

How is she not comparing the treatment of her own political community to that of the Jews under Nazism? What do you understand her final sentence to be saying?
She's not comparing being conservative to being slaughtered. She's comparing how the government made their own people hate one group to allow them to be rounded up and the people to be ok with it. Again, stupid comparison and ill advised. But there is a difference if you read what she's saying. Her point was she feels that's exactly what this current administration was doing. Making conservatives out to be the villain, to be hated for their views. Should she have said it? No. But, it seems a lot of people here are ok with Pedros comments. So if you have a problem with Gina you should have just as big an issue with Pedro.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
She's not comparing being conservative to being slaughtered. She's comparing how the government made their own people hate one group to allow them to be rounded up and the people to be ok with it. Again, stupid comparison and ill advised. But there is a difference if you read what she's saying. Her point was she feels that's exactly what this current administration was doing. Making conservatives out to be the villain, to be hated for their views. Should she have said it? No. But, it seems a lot of people here are ok with Pedros comments. So if you have a problem with Gina you should have just as big an issue with Pedro.
Certain comparisons are more sensitive than others and her comments touched on one of them. I wouldn't have fired her for the comment but Disney probably didn't know what was coming next and decided otherwise.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I don’t think they are happy about it. They like to avoid controversy as much as possible. But I don’t think it’s going to be what makes or breaks this film.
Zeglers comments alone are just a piece of the puzzle, add in the Dinkler comments, the negativity about the leaked 7 dwarfs / 7 friends photo, the delays, the questionable dwarfs CGI, the mostly negative response to the trailer… I can’t think of any positive word of mouth leading up to the release of this film, it’s been one negative after another, with only a couple months left before it hits theaters that doesn’t bode well for the box office.
 

Disstevefan1

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Zeglers comments alone are just a piece of the puzzle, add in the Dinkler comments, the negativity about the leaked 7 dwarfs / 7 friends photo, the delays, the questionable dwarfs CGI, the mostly negative response to the trailer… I can’t think of any positive word of mouth leading up to the release of this film, it’s been one negative after another, with only a couple months left before it hits theaters that doesn’t bode well for the box office.
Totally agree. The over spending alone will be a big reason SW will lose money.
 

erasure fan1

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Certain comparisons are more sensitive than others and her comments touched on one of them. I wouldn't have fired her for the comment but Disney probably didn't know what was coming next and decided otherwise.
I get it, I really do. My personal point is Pedro hit that same nerve and a lot of people here are ok with it. I don't read a lot of posts like myself that denounce both. There's a lot of excuse making for one, while we get lies like she's denying the Holocaust. I'm not going to say either should or should not have been fired. But I do think that a decision on one should have been a decision for both.
 

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