Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

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LSLS

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Am I the only one who couldn’t care less about what these actors say about the films they were hired to act in? What possible difference could it make to whether or not you enjoy the movie?
Eh, somewhat. But I can see statements giving you impressions of a movie. I'd assume that major actors would not take rolls in movies where they completely disagree with everything the script discusses. So if an actor is making a statement, I'd assume the movie doesn't go against the actor's thoughts. Like, if I saw Sean Penn was playing George Bush in a movie, I'd assume that movie will not discuss all the great things he did in Iraq.
 

Disstevefan1

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Their goal is to appeal to modern audiences in order to get mass appeal today. Sometimes the material doesn't need much or anything at all, as in TLM, but I honestly defy anyone to write a screenplay for the original Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs that lasts longer than 30 minutes. Even the original Brothers Grimm version is extremely short.
From the outside it doesn’t seem they are hitting their goals, but they define what their goals are and they define what they call success, so I am sure they are very happy with how things are going.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Am I the only one who couldn’t care less about what these actors say about the films they were hired to act in? What possible difference could it make to whether or not you enjoy the movie?

What they say may not ultimately change the movie but whether the star is likable or not will have a big impact on the box office. I’ll see a lot of movies simply because I like the lead actor, I’ll also avoid movies because I dislike a lead actor, she’s not doing the studio any favors by making comments that come off as negative.

It’s less about enjoying the movie and more about not seeing the movie at all because you don’t like an actor in it.
 

DKampy

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What they say may not ultimately change the movie but whether the star is likable or not will have a big impact on the box office. I’ll see a lot of movies simply because I like the lead actor, I’ll also avoid movies because I dislike a lead actor, she’s not doing the studio any favors by making comments that come off as negative.

It’s less about enjoying the movie and more about not seeing the movie at all because you don’t like an actor in it.
Well with that sentiment I guess we will have a good idea how people feel when the upcoming Hunger Games Prequel is released to theaters since Rachel Zegler has a staring role
 

Disney Irish

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Eh, somewhat. But I can see statements giving you impressions of a movie. I'd assume that major actors would not take rolls in movies where they completely disagree with everything the script discusses. So if an actor is making a statement, I'd assume the movie doesn't go against the actor's thoughts. Like, if I saw Sean Penn was playing George Bush in a movie, I'd assume that movie will not discuss all the great things he did in Iraq.
Ask Christian Bale about Vice or even Josh Brolin about W., that'll answer your questions on that....

Actors play roles all the time where they don't agree with the source material or figure they are portraying, and its very common for them to comment on the same as reporters ask them about it.
 

LSLS

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Ask Christian Bale about Vice or even Josh Brolin about W., that'll answer your questions on that....

Actors play roles all the time where they don't agree with the source material or figure they are portraying, and its very common for them to comment on the same as reporters ask them about it.
Honestly didn't see them, but reading the plot for Vice, doesn't that back up my claim? It sounds like it shows Cheney in a negative light (from wiki.: "Cheney's actions are shown to lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq, resulting in him receiving record-low approval ratings by the end of the Bush administration.").

As for W., don't know. The plot doesn't sound negative, and I don't know everything about why he took the role/how he approached/etc. I'm not saying that this is some sort of 100% you can tell a movie from who is cast, but I can see making assumptions based on the casting. Take away if what she said was bashing the old movie and all that stuff, if people believe she was attacking how the old movie was portrayed, can you see why those same people could assume she would not be in a film portraying it the same way?

But in the end, I'd agree with a lot here that it's kind of funny to be judging this movie without even a trailer. I'm pessimistic on it because the only remakes I want are ones where they tell the story from a different perspective/timeline (and I don't have high hopes we are getting that here), but I'm definitely not judging yet personally. I'm just saying I can kind of see why some people jump at what an actor says and it could impact their thoughts on the movie coming out (and again, I don't care what she said about the older film, but what she says about her version doesn't get me too excited).
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Well with that sentiment I guess we will have a good idea how people feel when the upcoming Hunger Games Prequel is released to theaters since Rachel Zegler has a staring role
It is a factor but not the only one, or even the biggest one.

If 10% of the potential audience choose to go because of an actor, or not to go as a result of the actor, it can be the difference between making a profit or millions in losses though.

IMHO the Hunger Games and Snow both have bigger issues than the actors, the Hunger Games prequel feels about a decade too late and Snows story changes are going to make Ziegler’s comments largely irrelevant.
 

Disney Irish

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Honestly didn't see them, but reading the plot for Vice, doesn't that back up my claim? It sounds like it shows Cheney in a negative light (from wiki.: "Cheney's actions are shown to lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq, resulting in him receiving record-low approval ratings by the end of the Bush administration.").

As for W., don't know. The plot doesn't sound negative, and I don't know everything about why he took the role/how he approached/etc. I'm not saying that this is some sort of 100% you can tell a movie from who is cast, but I can see making assumptions based on the casting. Take away if what she said was bashing the old movie and all that stuff, if people believe she was attacking how the old movie was portrayed, can you see why those same people could assume she would not be in a film portraying it the same way?

But in the end, I'd agree with a lot here that it's kind of funny to be judging this movie without even a trailer. I'm pessimistic on it because the only remakes I want are ones where they tell the story from a different perspective/timeline (and I don't have high hopes we are getting that here), but I'm definitely not judging yet personally. I'm just saying I can kind of see why some people jump at what an actor says and it could impact their thoughts on the movie coming out (and again, I don't care what she said about the older film, but what she says about her version doesn't get me too excited).
I wouldn't call it a "negative light", as more it was painting things based on hindsight.

Both are biopic pics about real life people that both actors disliked, in fact Bale called Cheney specifically the devil when accepting an award for the film.

So the point is that actors all the time play roles for characters or topics they are not fond of, and at times come right out and say it. Unless of course you believe that actors like portraying Nazis and other vile figures from history....

And I agree its very premature to judge things without a trailer and based on just an actors comments on something. Especially when those comments in this case are really not all that incendiary. All she has really said is the original scared her as a child and that its has outdated concepts, both of which are true from her perspective.
 

erasure fan1

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What they say may not ultimately change the movie but whether the star is likable or not will have a big impact on the box office. I’ll see a lot of movies simply because I like the lead actor, I’ll also avoid movies because I dislike a lead actor,
And you aren't alone in that, I'm the same way. Personally I think overall the leaked image has done more damage to the film than her comments. People can look past stupid comments. But that image gives a glimpse as to how the film is going to look. So it will be super interesting to see what the main story trailer shows.
Well with that sentiment I guess we will have a good idea how people feel when the upcoming Hunger Games Prequel is released to theaters since Rachel Zegler has a staring role
The hunger games prequel is going to be interesting to see how it does. The original 4 films did well enough. Even though the final film ended up doing the least in the series. I just don't see a lot of hype for this new one at all. So if it struggles, is it zegler or do people just not really care about a hunger games film without Katniss? I'd guess the 2nd option.
 

TP2000

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The Hunger Games film comes out first. It will be a blockbuster. You can hate on her all you want but she is shaping up to be a major star.
She has 5 upcoming movies including the new Hunger Games next month which is expected to be a major hit.
Well with that sentiment I guess we will have a good idea how people feel when the upcoming Hunger Games Prequel is released to theaters since Rachel Zegler has a staring role

I don't think using the Hunger Games is going to be a good way to gauge Miss Zegler's popularity with American movie goers, or to determine if her Snow White media kerfuffle has been overcome with the ticket buying public.

Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is tracking well below its previous films. It has a production budget of $180 Million, and assuming they spend $75 Million on marketing, it will need roughly $500 Million globally to break even. Except it is currently tracking for only a $45 Million opening weekend, and optimistically a $140 Million domestic total.

At this current trajectory, Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is going to lose at least $100 Million at the box office. This is not the film to be held up as an example of Rachel Zegler's ability to sell movie tickets. :oops:

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Tha Realest

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I don't think using the Hunger Games is going to be a good way to gauge Miss Zegler's popularity with American movie goers, or to determine if her Snow White media kerfuffle has been overcome with the ticket buying public.

Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is tracking well below its previous films. It has a production budget of $180 Million, and assuming they spend $75 Million on marketing, it will need roughly $500 Million globally to break even. Except it is currently tracking for only a $45 Million opening weekend, and optimistically a $140 Million domestic total.

At this current trajectory, Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is going to lose at least $100 Million at the box office. This is not the film to be held up as an example of Rachel Zegler's ability to sell movie tickets. :oops:

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It’s a film no one wants with an actress that has not been in a box office hit yet.

Well, on the bright side, it’s set to open larger than her last box office release (Shazam 2)
 

BuddyThomas

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And you aren't alone in that, I'm the same way. Personally I think overall the leaked image has done more damage to the film than her comments. People can look past stupid comments. But that image gives a glimpse as to how the film is going to look. So it will be super interesting to see what the main story trailer shows.

The hunger games prequel is going to be interesting to see how it does. The original 4 films did well enough. Even though the final film ended up doing the least in the series. I just don't see a lot of hype for this new one at all. So if it struggles, is it zegler or do people just not really care about a hunger games film without Katniss? I'd guess the 2nd option.
The book sold 500,000 copies in its first week of release. Not sure how you think it won't be popular.
 

TP2000

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This is my take also but I’m middle aged and out of touch so I don’t know if it’s “no one wants” or just “no one I know wants”.

At least you're ahead of me. 🤣

I didn't even know this Hunger Games movie coming out next month existed, much less that it starred Rachel Zegler, until @BuddyThomas kept mentioning it in this thread as a reason why Miss Zegler was a really big deal.

I've not heard a single person talk about any Hunger Games anything the past few weeks. But I have a couple of sociables to go to over the next few days, so I'll see if it comes up. Somehow, based on those box office sales projections... I doubt it.
 

erasure fan1

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The book sold 500,000 copies in its first week of release. Not sure how you think it won't be popular.
I didn't say it won't be popular. I said I don't see a lot of hype around it so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Is 500,000 copies good? I know the first potter book did a few million it's first weekend and that was brand new. What I think is the film isn't certain of anything. Would I be shocked if it does 650mil? Nope. Would I be shocked if it did 250mil? Nope. I think the only thing that would surprise me is if it does over a billion. The first Percy Jackson book sold nearly 2mil copies and only managed 226mil at the box office. It's more about the quality of the film than anything else. That's why it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 

TP2000

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I didn't say it won't be popular. I said I don't see a lot of hype around it so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Is 500,000 copies good? I know the first potter book did a few million it's first weekend and that was brand new.

I had to Google that just now, because like you, I have no idea if 500,000 books being sold was good or not. What I came up with is this, with a comparison to the last Harry Potter book to come out as I think that is a very fair audience demographic comparison to The Hunger Games.

As of April, 2023, Google says the following number of books have been sold...

Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes, 2020 = 3.5 Million copies
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, 2007 = 66 Million copies

3 and a half Million books is almost exactly 1% of the US population. The question remains, is that good for book sales? And how does it equate to movie ticket sales?
 

Disney Irish

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I had to Google that just now, because like you, I have no idea if 500,000 books being sold was good or not. What I came up with is this, with a comparison to the last Harry Potter book to come out as I think that is a very fair audience demographic comparison to The Hunger Games.

As of April, 2023, Google says the following number of books have been sold...

Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes, 2020 = 3.5 Million copies
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, 2007 = 66 Million copies

3 and a half Million books is almost exactly 1% of the US population. The question remains, is that good for book sales? And how does it equate to movie ticket sales?
The better equivalent is the number of copies sold on each Hunger Games book -

The Hunger Games = ~28M copies
Catching Fire = ~19M copies
Mockingjay = ~18M copies
Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes = ~3.5M copies

Though I wouldn't put much credence into it as I don't think audiobooks are counted which are bigger now than when the first books were released. Not to mention there are more fans of the movies than the books themselves.
 

Dranth

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I had to Google that just now, because like you, I have no idea if 500,000 books being sold was good or not. What I came up with is this, with a comparison to the last Harry Potter book to come out as I think that is a very fair audience demographic comparison to The Hunger Games.

As of April, 2023, Google says the following number of books have been sold...

Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes, 2020 = 3.5 Million copies
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, 2007 = 66 Million copies

3 and a half Million books is almost exactly 1% of the US population. The question remains, is that good for book sales? And how does it equate to movie ticket sales?
Don't know but I would be surprised if anything Hunger Games related did well at the box office in 2023 regardless of who stars in it. I admit I could easily be wrong, but it really feels like a nonfactor.
 

TP2000

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The better equivalent is the number of copies sold on each Hunger Games book -

The Hunger Games = ~28M copies
Catching Fire = ~19M copies
Mockingjay = ~18M copies
Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes = ~3.5M copies

Though I wouldn't put much credence into it as I don't think audiobooks are counted which are bigger now than when the first books were released. Not to mention there are more fans of the movies than the books themselves.

Interesting. So what's your take on why box office projections and advance ticket sales are so low for this next Hunger Games installment starring Rachel Zegler?

Don't know but I would be surprised if anything Hunger Games related did well at the box office in 2023 regardless of who stars in it. I admit I could easily be wrong, but it really feels like a nonfactor.

I would agree. Again, I had no idea this upcoming Hunger Games movie even existed, until @BuddyThomas kept bringing it up in this thread as an example of how popular Rachel Zegler is with audiences who will allegedly flock to the theaters to also see her in Snow White next March.

I'm skeptical the Zegler Effect is a thing, much less a thing that is a net positive for the box office.
 

Tha Realest

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Interesting. So what's your take on why box office projections and advance ticket sales are so low for this next Hunger Games installment starring Rachel Zegler?



I would agree. Again, I had no idea this upcoming Hunger Games movie even existed, until @BuddyThomas kept bringing it up in this thread as an example of how popular Rachel Zegler is with audiences who will allegedly flock to the theaters to also see her in Snow White next March.

I'm skeptical the Zegler Effect is a thing, much less a thing that is a net positive for the box office.
This appears to be the third film starring Rachel Zegler that will underperform at the box office. Maybe the fourth time’s a charm? Paddington 3 could have reversed that trend but she had to be recast due to the strike under a SAG-AFTRA rule that seemingly only applies to her and none of her costars.
 
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