Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[erasure fan1]

I’m not sure how the scenario you’re describing—whereby people were lured by the “nostalgia bait” (your phrase) but left the cinema disappointed with what they actually got—isn’t bait-and-switch. If you really object to my use of that term, I can edit my post, but it would make absolutely no difference to my point.

Just because you don't like something, or were disappointed, doesn't make it a bait and switch. No need to edit, I just found it odd because the two things are pretty different. It doesn't make a difference to your point but isn't really related to mine. Think of it like a Disney cupcake. You see it and say, I love cupcakes! You then eat it and think it was too sugary, not a lot of flavor... Disney might sell a lot of them based on people love cupcakes and they look good. That doesn't mean they taste good, or that it's a bait and switch.

 

[LittleBuford]

Just because you don't like something, or were disappointed, doesn't make it a bait and switch. No need to edit, I just found it odd because the two things are pretty different. It doesn't make a difference to your point but isn't really related to mine. Think of it like a Disney cupcake. You see it and say, I love cupcakes! You then eat it and think it was too sugary, not a lot of flavor... Disney might sell a lot of them based on people love cupcakes and they look good. That doesn't mean they taste good, or that it's a bait and switch.

Then I'm not sure I understand your point. Do you view Aladdin and the The Lion King as marking some sort of turning point in how people responded to the remakes?

 

[erasure fan1]

Then I'm not sure I understand your point. Do you view Aladdin and the The Lion King as marking some sort of turning point in how people responded to the remakes?

Yes, it goes back to my original post that people are tired of the remakes and that's played into all the snow white stuff. Just because those two movies made a ton of money doesn't necessarily mean all is sunshine and roses with the remakes. You said yourself you hated lion king. It seems to me, that those movies were somewhat of a straw that broke the camels back. Two extremely beloved films that most seem to no longer care about the live action versions at all. Is it the only thing at play? Absolutely not. But it is a factor that plays into what's going on now in my opinion.

 

[LittleBuford]

Yes, it goes back to my original post that people are tired of the remakes and that's played into all the snow white stuff. Just because those two movies made a ton of money doesn't necessarily mean all is sunshine and roses with the remakes. You said yourself you hated lion king. It seems to me, that those movies were somewhat of a straw that broke the camels back. Two extremely beloved films that most seem to no longer care about the live action versions at all. Is it the only thing at play? Absolutely not. But it is a factor that plays into what's going on now in my opinion.

Thank you for explaining.

I may have hated The Lion King, but others didn't. Aladdin was enjoyable enough and entirely consistent in aim and tone with the remakes that preceded it. I really don't see how those two movies, either individually or together, would or could have shifted the public's attitude to the remakes as a genre.

At any rate, it will surely be the next several films in the lineup that will determine whether Disney thinks there's any profit to be made in pursuing such remakes. We don't have enough evidence at present to say whether or not audience interest has dried up.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

At any rate, it will surely be the next several films in the lineup that will determine whether Disney thinks there's any profit to be made in pursuing such remakes. We don't have enough evidence at present to say whether or not audience interest has dried up.

This brings up an interesting question... if Snow White loses money, or even breaks even, will that change Disneys attitude towards the remakes?

They’ve now done the renaissance era films (BaTB, LM, LK) and they will have done the best known early era films (Cinderella, Snow White, Alice, Jungle Book, etc), what’s next? Do they start the CG era films like Tangled, etc? We know Moana’s on the table, I wonder what the future holds for the remakes.

 

[LittleBuford]

This brings up an interesting question... if Snow White loses money, or even breaks even, will that change Disneys attitude towards the remakes?

They’ve now done the renaissance era films (BaTB, LM, LK) and they will have done the best known early era films (Cinderella, Snow White, Alice, Jungle Book, etc), what’s next? Do they start the CG era films like Tangled, etc? We know Moana’s on the table, I wonder what the future holds for the remakes.

As I've noted before, I'm generally ambivalent when it comes to the remakes, but remaking something as recent as Moana seems really silly to me. But again, if enough people pay to see it, Disney will only continue down this route.

 

[LittleBuford]

What did they learn from their terrible run of Lightyear, Strange World, Onward, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Haunted Mansion, Mermaid, Elemental, etc.?

What lessons could they draw about the remakes from a list of films that are mainly original?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What did they learn from their terrible run of Lightyear, Strange World, Onward, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Mulan, Haunted Mansion, Mermaid, Elemental, etc.?

Not to mention the straight to D+ disasters of Pinocchio, Peter Pan and Wendy, etc.

Their entire content strategy needs to be rethought.

I think it’s too early to tell, movies take years to develop and create so anything they‘ve learned probably won’t materialize until 2025.

I’d probably exclude the Covid era movies though (Onward, Soul, Luca, etc), we’ll never know how well they’d have done had they actually been released, with the exception of Mulan I’d say they were all far superior to this years releases.

I agree they need a reset though, the D+ remakes have been very underwhelming and people seem to have taken a wait and see it for free approach with the theatrical releases thanks to D+. They need to figure out D+ so it doesn’t poach the box office and they also need to figure out the D+ quality to maintain subscriptions, questionable quality shows like Peter Pan and Pinocchio aren’t going to cut it.

 

[erasure fan1]

At any rate, it will surely be the next several films in the lineup that will determine whether Disney thinks there's any profit to be made in pursuing such remakes. We don't have enough evidence at present to say whether or not audience interest has dried up.

I don't think interest has dried up completely. I'd say waning is a better way to say it. But you are right, the next couple will tell us if the arrow is pointing up or down.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don't care what anyone says, Onward is a delightful and highly underrated film.

 

[Chi84]

how they’re changing a movie we all grew up with.

I wonder how many people (outside of the super fans here) grew up with the actual movie rather than the “story.”

I’m 68 years old and Snow White came out nearly 20 years before I was born. I remember hearing the story and reading books but I don’t think I saw the movie until last week.

I know my kids are familiar with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs from the Disney storybook series and WDW but I don’t think either of them saw the 1937 movie.

Maybe the story is the important thing so it doesn’t make much difference. Just a thought.

 

[TP2000]

Covid, in an unlikely way, provided cover as the box office for Onward (which opened to only $39M before the shut down), Soul, Luca, Mulan, Turning Red, etc. would have made the narrative about their string of box office failures even worse. None of those films have created any kind of long-term resonance in any format since release.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of any of those movies having a presence in the American parks. No character meet n' greets, no cavalcades, no attraction placement, no World of Color snippet, etc.

If any of those movies had generated a meaningful audience, you would see park placement and merchandise displays. Even just adding a character to an existing parade float, or having the character dance along next to a parade float.

But there is none of that. Those movies and their characters and stories don't exist in the parks. So much for Synergy.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Onward had a meet and greet in Paradise Pier. They had the brother's van parked in front of the 'not stage' stage near the carnival games. I remember seeing it when I visited the last weekend before they closed.

 

[Phroobar]

I really can't speak for how people reacted 13 years ago to the Johnny Depp Alice In Wonderland remake. I don't remember anyone even talking about it, to be honest. I don't even remember a movie preview for it in the parks.

Thinking back to 2010, I remember us being really annoyed with the ugly new fall-protection fencing on the exterior of the Alice In Wonderland ride at Disneyland. But chatter about that movie? No clue. My guess is that because it was marketed as a "Johnny Depp Movie", no one cared who the girl playing Alice was or if she was now on a Leadership Journey instead of just a pretty girl who fell down a rabbit hole into Wonderland.

You don't remember the Mad T Party in DCA? Electronica was better but the band was great.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

I liked ElecTRONica :-(

 

[Disney Irish]

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of any of those movies having a presence in the American parks. No character meet n' greets, no cavalcades, no attraction placement, no World of Color snippet, etc.

If any of those movies had generated a meaningful audience, you would see park placement and merchandise displays. Even just adding a character to an existing parade float, or having the character dance along next to a parade float.

But there is none of that. Those movies and their characters and stories don't exist in the parks. So much for Synergy.

Of all those mentioned, everyone except Luca I believe, has had some presence in the Disney Parks around the world at some point from M&Gs to merch.

 

[DKampy]

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of any of those movies having a presence in the American parks. No character meet n' greets, no cavalcades, no attraction placement, no World of Color snippet, etc.

If any of those movies had generated a meaningful audience, you would see park placement and merchandise displays. Even just adding a character to an existing parade float, or having the character dance along next to a parade float.

But there is none of that. Those movies and their characters and stories don't exist in the parks. So much for Synergy.

There is the Soul Cat Lounge on The Disney Magic cruise ship which is a completely dedicated theme to Soul

 

[MisterPenguin]

1. This is the Snow White Thread.

2. Alice in Wonderland was not a remake, it was a sequel. The story starts with her in the real world thinking her first journey was a dream until denizens from Wonderland reach out to her to come back.

3. There is a thread for remakes:

Disney Live-Action* Remakes**

*It's not really live-action if its CGI. **It's not really a remake when it's a prequel (Cruella) or a sequel (102 Dalmations) or a 'reimagining' (Maleficent) Anyhoo... some data: Keep in mind: The Rotten Tomatoes 'tomatometer' score is just a thumbs up or down (recommend see or not see)...

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[Cliff]

Is there any chance the current "Snow White and the Seven Dwarf's Mine Train" will be updated to match the new movie? We don't know much about the movie yet but from what Racheal Zeigler (Snow White actress) has publicly revealed in interviews, it sounds like the movie has a new socially positive and modern, inclusive and improved progressive message.

Could Disney use this opportunity to fix the current ride/attraction so that it adopts this new movie message and values and replace the classic story elements with the corrected re-imagined one?

 

[LittleBuford]

Is there any chance the current "Snow White and the Seven Dwarf's Mine Train" will be updated to match the new movie? We don't know much about the movie yet but from what Racheal Zeigler (Snow White actress) has publicly revealed in interviews, it sounds like the movie has a new socially positive and modern, inclusive and improved progressive message.

Could Disney use this opportunity to fix the current ride/attraction so that it adopts this new movie message and values and replace the classic story elements with the corrected re-imagined one?

Based on your earlier posts, I don’t think you’re being especially serious, but no, there is no reason to believe that Disney will retheme the ride given that none of the other remakes have displaced the animated versions in park attractions.