Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[donaldtoo]

Almost all of the moderation here is undertaken by one person, @The Mom, who isn’t paid for her work and has a life beyond these boards. I just checked her activity and see she hasn’t posted anything for days. So rather than assume she’s taking sides (she’s deleted plenty of my posts over the years for what that’s worth) or neglecting her “duties”, perhaps we should all be hoping she’s OK and working on the big collective apology we owe her for the huge mess we’ve created.

I know all of that about @The Mom, and I never assumed she was taking sides nor neglecting her duties.
As I posted, I was just speculating that maybe she/they are just letting members vent for a bit, post Nov. 5th, to get it somewhat out of there systems, before they drop the hammer back down…?
Also, it just kinda’ makes me wonder why there aren’t more mods here.
Another site/forum I was a member of years ago, which had many less members than this one, had 4 mods, not including the site owner.

 

[Chi84]

I don't care about her skin color or her comments about the original film. I had sympathy for her until she revealed herself to be an antisemite just because it's trendy nowadays (though she does it in a passive aggressive way and only to the "bad jews" so people like you can still defend her and gaslight us).

I’m not defending anything she said. I just don’t pay attention to what celebrities say. And before you ask, yes, that includes Gina Carano.

And please don’t say “people like you.” You don’t know me.

 

[LittleBuford]

I know all of that about @The Mom, and I never assumed she was taking sides nor neglecting her duties.
As I posted, I was just speculating that maybe she/they are just letting members vent for a bit, post Nov. 5th, to get it somewhat out of there systems, before they drop the hammer back down…?
Also, it just kinda’ makes me wonder why there aren’t more mods here.
Another site/forum I was a member of years ago, which had many less members than this one, had 4 mods, not including the site owner.

Whatever’s going on, I hope there’s an end to it soon.

 

[Farerb]

I’m not defending anything she said. I just don’t pay attention to what celebrities say. And before you ask, yes, that includes Gina Carano.

I don't care about Gina Carano. I was never one of her defenders in this thread

 

[Chi84]

I don't care about Gina Carano. I was never one of her defenders in this thread

Nor did I defend Zegler’s words. I will say that as an employer, Disney stands in a different position than the general public. They can do what they choose and accept the consequences.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That would be sad. We need more female empowerment messaging than ever these days.

The truth Is that female empowerment does not take away from male empowerment. They can exist in a story in equal measure. Disney found that balance in The Little Mermaid. Prince Eric had his own life and goals apart from Ariel’s, and she accompanied him in the end on a journey to achieve them.

Also, there is a beautiful depiction of a strong, protective father.

Maybe I worded it poorly but I was trying to say I think there will still be female empowerment in the movie, the top priority is just to make an entertaining story though.

Changing the priority doesn’t mean there can’t be “inclusion”, it just frees up the writers to make the best movie possible because they aren’t mandated to do certain things.

No reason you can’t have both though.

If I said make the best Marvel movie you can make the skies the limit, if I said make a Marvel movie but it has to have female leads, has to have female villains, has to have x% of each race, has to have x% of gay people, etc you’re far less likely to make a good movie. In scenario 1 nothing prevents you from making the most amazing girl boss movie ever, but I bet it’ll be a lot better than scenario 2 because you naturally made what you wanted rather than making a check box movie the executives wanted.

 

[Stripes]

The irony is that the same people that support Carano’s lawsuit against Disney for violating CA employment laws protecting employees’ political activities are the same group of people shaming Disney for not firing Zegler.

Either Disney can’t take action against Zegler or Carano’s lawsuit is doomed to fail. Pick one.

 

[Chi84]

The irony is that the same people that support Carano’s lawsuit against Disney for violating CA employment laws protecting employees’ political activities are the same group of people shaming Disney for not firing Zegler.

Either Disney can’t take action against Zegler or Carano’s lawsuit is doomed to fail. Pick one.

Can I pick not paying attention to what celebrities say? They live in a different world than most of us and their opinions are worth no more - and likely less - than our own due to that fact.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The irony is that the same people that support Carano’s lawsuit against Disney for violating CA employment laws protecting employees’ political activities are the same group of people shaming Disney for not firing Zegler.

Either Disney can’t take action against Zegler or Carano’s lawsuit is doomed to fail. Pick one.

I think people want consistency.

When Disney is inconsistent with how they handle similar situations Disney is essentially picking a side.

 

[Stripes]

Can I pick not paying attention to what celebrities say? They live in a different world than most of us and their opinions are worth no more - and likely less - than our own due to that fact.

Certainly. Just because an actor was cast in a famous role doesn‘t mean the actor knows anything about the world or deserves your attention. Most things celebrities say are just dumb.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think people want consistency.

When Disney is inconsistent with how they handle similar situations Disney is essentially picking a side.

I’m trying so hard to resist wading back in, but since I know you’ll respond reasonably, I just want to point out again that Disney cannot fire Zegler at this stage.

 

[LittleBuford]

Certainly. Just because an actor was cast in a famous role doesn‘t mean the actor knows anything about the world or deserves your attention. Most things celebrities say are just dumb.

Just as I don’t think celebrities should be put on a pedestal, neither do I think they deserve to be collectively dismissed as uninformed or out of touch. Some say really smart things, others say really silly things, with a whole spectrum in between. In that, they’re no different from the rest of us.

 

[LittleBuford]

I tell a lie. I’m happy to put Dolly Parton on a pedestal. I would legit appoint her dictator of the world if I could.

 

[Stripes]

I think people want consistency.

When Disney is inconsistent with how they handle similar situations Disney is essentially picking a side.

According to Carano’s own complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm asked her to apologize on several occasions, which she refused to do.

I’m sure Disney had the same talk with Zegler, hence the apology.

I think that makes the situations dissimilar enough to warrant disparate treatment.

What’s inconsistent are those supporting Carano’s lawsuit while shaming Disney for not firing Zegler, especially when filming has already wrapped.

 

[LittleBuford]

According to Carano’s own complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm asked her to apologize on several occasions, which she refused to do.

I’m sure Disney had the same talk with Zegler, hence the apology.

I actually didn’t know that, and I don’t believe it’s been brought up here before. That is an important difference.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’m trying so hard to resist wading back in, but since I know you’ll respond reasonably, I just want to point out again that Disney cannot fire Zegler at this stage.

They could almost release the exact same statement for Zegler they used to Gina.

For Gina the Disney statement was

“Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

For Zegler a consistent statement would have been:

“Rachel Zegler is not currently employed by Disney and there are no plans for her to be in the future, her social media posts denigrating people based on their social and political identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

 

[Chi84]

According to Carano’s own complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm asked her to apologize on several occasions, which she refused to do.

I’m sure Disney had the same talk with Zegler, hence the apology.

I think that makes the situations dissimilar enough to warrant disparate treatment.

What’s inconsistent are those supporting Carano’s lawsuit while shaming Disney for not firing Zegler, especially when filming has already wrapped.

Also, there is a completely different relationship when it comes to employment and contracts are involved. It's rare that someone on the outside has all the facts, so it's extremely difficult to decide what actions are consistent or inconsistent.

 

[Stripes]

Just as I don’t think celebrities should be put on a pedestal, neither do I think they deserve to be collectively dismissed as uninformed or out of touch. Some say really smart things, others say really silly things, with a whole spectrum in between. In that, they’re no different from the rest of us.

Hence my phrasing…

Certainly. Just because an actor was cast in a famous role doesn‘t mean the actor knows anything about the world or deserves your attention. Most things celebrities say are just dumb.

There are certain celebrities that have intelligent things to say.

 

[Chi84]

They could almost release the exact same statement for Zegler they used to Gina.

For Gina the Disney statement was

“Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

For Zegler a consistent statement would have been:

“Rachel Zegler is not currently employed by Disney and there are no plans for her to be in the future, her social media posts denigrating people based on their social and political identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

But attacks on cultural and religious identities have always been treated differently (at least where the law is concerned) than attacks on someone's social or political identities. The former have been treated as immutable while the latter can be transient.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

According to Carano’s own complaint, Disney and Lucasfilm asked her to apologize on several occasions, which she refused to do.

I’m sure Disney had the same talk with Zegler, hence the apology.

I think that makes the situations dissimilar enough to warrant disparate treatment.

What’s inconsistent are those supporting Carano’s lawsuit while shaming Disney for not firing Zegler, especially when filming has already wrapped.

Definitely a factor, Gina complied and backtracked the first several times she made controversial posts also, I think the final straw for her was when they tried to make her go to sensitivity training, it makes me wonder how many chances Zegler will get before Disney asks her to go to some type of training also, and if/when they do if she’ll resist too.