Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Disney Irish]

I have a "burner" Twitter account (I created it so I could communicate with Microsoft when they weren't responding to my emails) and found the original post. Yes, it's a Zegler fan account, but pretty much all the replies to it, written by other Zegler fans, are intepreting it the same way: as an indication of her dislike of Gadot. Go and look for yourself if you don't believe me.

I have that is how I know the context of this whole thing.

 

[BrianLo]

What pivot are you referring to? Agatha All Along gives the lie to the claim that Disney is abandoning queer representation, but perhaps you mean something else.

Florida and Peltz.

None of the 2023 movies were actually controversial, but most people arguing otherwise never really watched them.

 

[Disney Irish]

OK, so you agree that most of the replies are from Zegler fans who interpret the juxtaposition of photos as proof of her dislike of Gadot? And if not, what is your reading?

I agree that is what the replies are interpreting, but I don't agree that is what the original tweet was about nor why Zelger liked it. Now maybe I'm incorrect but it reads differently to me, as I mentioned previously.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You may be right. I just don't think most cinema-goers (however they lean ideologically) allow politics to affect their choices to such an extent.

I don’t think politics affects those decisions nearly as much as likability, there’s a lot of movies I’ll go see simply because I love the actors in it, there’s also movies I’ll avoid because I dislike actors in it.

Zegler comes off as smug and condescending so for me she falls into the dislike category, not boycott worthy like Chris Brown or Ezra Miller but not someone I’m rushing out to see either.

 

[Disney Irish]

What is your reading?

Its in my post -

This again goes back to what I'm talking about, people are reading more into this than is actually there.

The original tweet which Zegler liked is not what you guys are thinking. The "Kie" account who tweeted it originally is a fan of Zegler, to me it looks like they are pointing out the differences in her style at each event, and that is what she liked. Its the poster here and everyone else that is trying to make it about her demeanor in the pictures, which isn't not.

So if I'm reading it that way, its very possible Zegler read it that way and why she liked it.

 

[BrianLo]

I don’t think politics affects those decisions nearly as much as likability, there’s a lot of movies I’ll go see simply because I love the actors in it, there’s also movies I’ll avoid because I dislike actors in it.

Zegler comes off as smug and condescending so for me she falls into the dislike category, not boycott worthy like Chris Brown or Ezra Miller but not someone I’m rushing out to see either.

What will be interesting is the lead of Wicked is also receiving a lot of blowback. She’s more of a diva than anything outright political.

I’m actually not at all bothered that Zegler is disliked. She’s very much opened herself up to it, unlike Halle and Iman, who were clearly targeted by people trying to serve their political or financial gain.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sorry for missing that.

I find your reading extremely unlikely given that "kie" herself wrote, "rachel is so funny for this i love her bad". There's nothing funny about the fact that she's wearing a long gown in one photo and a mini-dress in the other, so I very much doubt that's the difference that's being highlighted.

You're again reading something that may or may not be what you think it is. Flip it around, what would be "so funny" to her fan about Zegler's demeanor in the picture? There is nothing funny about the picture. So it goes both ways.

 

[Brian]

Zegler's post would be unremarkable for me if Gina Carano weren't fired from The Mandolorian for much less.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

and no interwebs.

I think this is the primary reason, 30 years ago the only thing we knew about most celebrities was what they shared on the Tonight Show or in interviews. Now that we have social media many celebrities (and average joes) share every detail of their life, the good and the bad.

@TP2000

So how much does this dumpster fire have to make to break even?

I’ve seen speculation ranging from $500 million to a billion just to break even, outside of Disney I doubt anyone really knows though.

What will be interesting is the lead of Wicked is also receiving a lot of blowback. She’s more of a diva than anything outright political.

I’m actually not at all bothered that Zegler is disliked. She’s very much opened herself up to it, unlike Halle and Iman, who were clearly targeted by people trying to serve their political or financial gain.

There’s unfortunately a lot of examples of actors getting unearned backlash and hate, I wasn’t a fan of the casting of Halle but never felt any animosity to her because of it, she did as good a job as possible in the controversial (to many) position Disney placed her in, the Iman hate was even more bizarre because she was perfectly cast for the role and played the part exceptionally well, I disliked some of the show writing but she didn’t do anything to deserve any dislike, even in Marvels she was the highlight of the movie. Zegler has earned a lot of the dislike but I still don’t understand the outright hate, people are too quick to vilify anyone they disagree with, she’s unlikable but that’s really about it.

 

[Disney Irish]

What's "funny" is the contrast between her glum expression while standing next to one costar and her happy expression while standing next to the other. Her fans certainly seem to think so.

Sorry but I don't read it that way, so we just see it different. I've read through that account, and they idolize Zegler, and they don't seem like the type that would find a glum expression from their "idol" as "so funny".

 

[Brian]

Disney can't fire her at this stage. All they can do is not employ her again.

They could put out a statement saying the views she espoused are not in alignment with the company's. It's been radio silence from them.

 

[Brian]

It's not Disney's practice to put out such statements. They did not comment on Carano's posts mocking preferred pronouns, sharing anti-mask memes ("Democratic government leaders now recommends we all wear blindfolds along with masks so we can't see what's really going"), or promoting the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. It was radio silence then too, and no-one here seemed to mind.

It's clear that her invocation of the Holocaust crossed a line in Disney's eyes, which is why they fired her and, in a very unusal move, put out a statement. This was the exception rather than the rule—including by the standards of Carano's own posting history.

At minimum, I would say that Carano's statement and Zegler's statement are equally offensive to their respective targets. If Disney is going to denounce Carano's statement, in my opinion, they should denounce Zegler's.

Zegler's statement is worse because it wishes and invites harm on those she disagrees with, as opposed to Carano's, which, while arguably insensitive, does not wish or invite harm onto anyone.

 

[Chi84]

At minimum, I would say that Carano's statement and Zegler's statement are equally offensive to their respective targets. If Disney is going to denounce Carano's statement, in my opinion, they should denounce Zegler's.

Zegler's statement is worse because it wishes and invites harm on those she disagrees with, as opposed to Carano's, which, while arguably insensitive, does not wish or invite harm onto anyone.

Normally speech denigrating people based on race, culture, religion, sexual orientation, etc. is viewed as more harmful than speech commenting on political views.

Carano mocked trans people and their use of pronouns as well as making the Holocaust references - that may have made a difference to Disney.

Disney has always been progressive and inclusive. In the past couple of years the people who are now claiming to be aggrieved are the ones who vilified Disney for standing up for people who were being mocked and excluded.

Why on earth would Disney now be expected to treat them equally.

 

[Ghost93]

All I’ll really say on this movie is I think it’s going to be another mundane remake and I think everyone’s going to be incredibly dissapointed in how non-controversial they actually made it.

It’s the fumes of the 2023 banter here that the company has already clearly pivoted from.

Nah, it will be controversial. Due to Zegler and Gadot's personal views, the reshoots were done to reframe the Snow White story as a commentary on the Israel/Palestine war. There will be a lot of think pieces written about the film for decades to come.

 

[Chi84]

Nah, it will be controversial. Due to Zegler and Gadot's personal views, the reshoots were done to reframe the Snow White story as a commentary on the Israel/Palestine war. There will be a lot of think pieces written about the film for decades to come.

That makes about as much sense as the other theories.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Zegler fans who interpret the juxtaposition of photos as proof of her dislike of Gadot?

Idle gossip. Fans are not experts, just fans. Same as around here. They have all kinds of opinions, don’t know her personally, and love to presume grudges being held. I remember many people on a Mariah fan site always projecting a rivalry with and dislike of J-Lo. It’s all silliness and pointless unless it comes from the horse’s mouth.

What's "funny" is the contrast between her glum expression while standing next to one costar and her happy expression while standing next to the other. Her fans certainly seem to think so.

I’m sure you have some idea of how many times the shutter clicks within seconds. People don’t wear permanent smiles, even celebrities. If you want to find a shot out of 20, where she was temporarily not smiling, you can find that shot. Doesn’t mean anything.

I would say that Carano's statement and Zegler's statement are equally offensive to their respective targets.

Not even close.

 

[LittleBuford]

Some here want to vilify Zegler completely, while others want to vindicate her to the same degree. It’s predictably tribalistic and unproductive. I wish there were more room for nuance and ambivalence.

 

[Trauma]

Some here want to vilify Zegler completely, while others want to vindicate her to the same degree. It’s predictably tribalistic and unproductive. I wish there were more room for nuance and ambivalence.

What nuance would you like ? She basically told half the country that we are terrible humans. How would you like us to react?

If I told you that you are a piece of garbage ( you are not, this is just to make a point ) you would not like me. Where is the nuance in that ?

 

[erasure fan1]

Zegler wasn't wishing harm on people. She was hoping that they would feel tormented by guilt for voting as they did. I don't think such a sentiment is productive or kind, and I believe she was foolish and wrong to express it, but she wasn't calling on anyone to be harmed (except, if you will, by their own conscience).

I would say that's what your interpretation is. For a lot of people, they feel completely different.

It's clear that her invocation of the Holocaust crossed a line in Disney's eyes, which is why they fired her and, in a very unusal move, put out a statement.

Their actions, or lack there of, make me question that statement. Why didn't Pedro cross said line? Because it sure seems like as long as you are on the same side of the fence as Disney, you are safe.

 

[Trauma]

People are free to love or loathe Zegler. I’m not asking for nuance in terms of how you feel about her.

But when posters keep repeating the claim that she was calling on others to be harmed when she clearly wasn’t, or bristling at the very suggestion that she liked a post that was probably taking a swipe at Gadot, it becomes very difficult to discuss the topic in a way that isn’t framed in either/or and us-and-them terms.

I support her right to free speech. She can call me all the names she wants because of who I vote for.

However she doesn’t get to blame the failure of her movie on Racism and all the usual excuses.

When this things bomb maybe she should look in the mirror and realize she is the problem.

Honestly I wish all these actors would shut up about politics. I don’t want to listen to them support either side.

I go to the movies to escape, and I think that was much easier to do when we knew far less about the actors.