Little Mermaid and Beasts Castle waterfalls?

[flynnibus]

Disney has been converting fountains to planters all over the place for years now. They have a serious aversion to water it seems now.

Probably just got sick of paying for them and fixing them - far cheaper to just water some plants and swap them around from time to time.

 

[nemofinder22]

Great! That got me going through some more pics, and here's what I found:

So there we are. 4 waterfalls, 3 at Mermaid and 1 at Beasts Castle

OBE

Amazing post!!! thanks for taking the time to make it!

Wait...who's second-rate?

Perhaps MK's Beast Castle is better compared to the other Beast Castle over in DLP.

Beast's castle from Storybook
http://www.photosmagiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/DSC03378.jpg

Storybook Land
http://www.photosmagiques.com/gallery/disneyland-park/fantasyland/le-pays-des-contes-de-fees/

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

^ Thanks for the pics BTW. Storybook in DLP is truly a beautiful ride and is easily missed when rushing from E-ticket to E-ticket! Thanks for reminding me of that!

 

[PorterRedkey]

Also, the beasts castle is being built to a much smaller scale then the Hogwarts. The forced perspective on Beast is supposed to make it feel much further away, thus less need for details.

100% spot on.

The details are Hogwart's are really amazing even though I'm a Disney man. I can still say that right?:shrug:

 

[CrescentLake]

Yeah they can, like that building in Epcot... Soarin', is it? :animwink:

Honest question, is Soarin' really that bad? I've never noticed it...but then again, I wasn't looking.

 

[Prototype82]

Honest question, is Soarin' really that bad? I've never noticed it...but then again, I wasn't looking.

Some people hate it but it never bothered me.

 

[tirian]

Inside the park, in the Potter land

That's one of my two big issues with Isles of Adventure: parts of it are built too closely to real-world scale (Seuss Landing, Jurassic Park) and other parts look like flat façades in front visible show buildings (HP, Poseidon).

There's always a balance. I'm probably one of the few people who thinks the American Waterfront in DisneySea is too elaborate to feel authentic.

The Beast's castle looks much better in person than in these photos, and Belle's village helps make the forced perspective work from within the area. True, the castle's perspective looks "off" from other vantage points, but this isn't new in theme parks. The Matterhorn looks silly from Tomorrowland.

 

[invader]

Some people hate it but it never bothered me.

I've been to Epcot hundreds of time since Soarin' has opened, and I've never even noticed that. But man is it ugly. :ROFLOL:

 

[ChristianG]

Some people hate it but it never bothered me.

I've strangely never noticed that.. huh.

 

[Scuttle]

I've been to Epcot hundreds of time since Soarin' has opened, and I've never even noticed that. But man is it ugly. :ROFLOL:

Not as ugly as the Swan and Dolphin. I always notice it, but I could care less what happens to the Epcot sightlines these days. Everything was ruined back in early 1990.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Also, the beasts castle is being built to a much smaller scale then the Hogwarts. The forced perspective on Beast is supposed to make it feel much further away, thus less need for details.

I'm not an artist, but I think you're trying to make something look far away, you might purposefully leave off details. If the castle is supposed to be a mile away, but you can see every nook and cranny, it would probably detract from the illusion. Hogwarts is pretty (minus that show building!), but this isn't a fair comparison.

Also, it should be noted that the Beast castle is not even "open" yet! :brick:

 

[Rob562]

So there we are. 4 waterfalls, 3 at Mermaid and 1 at Beasts Castle

OBE

Isn't there to be a water wheel on the northern side of Belle's cottage, too? Not sure whether there will be a waterfall/stream visible "feeding" it or if there will just be a trough feeding the waterwheel water.

-Rob

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

Honest question, is Soarin' really that bad? I've never noticed it...but then again, I wasn't looking.

The Harry show building isn't that bad, nor is the Soarin' one. It's just the nature of such large attractions fit into such tight spaces. I was just pointing it out since the "Harry Potter=Fail" people all ready began the usual spiels without realizing that the same issues are happening right at home. At least IoA got an elaborate castle in front of the show building, Epcot just got a large hanger! :lol: I'm totally with you though, I too rarely notice these flaws.

 

[CrescentLake]

The Harry show building isn't that bad, nor is the Soarin' one. It's just the nature of such large attractions fit into such tight spaces. I was just pointing it out since the "Harry Potter=Fail" people all ready began the usual spiels without realizing that the same issues are happening right at home. At least IoA got an elaborate castle in front of the show building, Epcot just got a large hanger! :lol: I'm totally with you though, I too rarely notice these flaws.

Fair point, I haven't been to Potter yet, but you'd think I'd notice the Soarin' building haha. Not a big fan of showbuildings showing in gneral, but I suppose it happens. I don't really think either is that bad, so I agree.

 

[phi2134]

Some people hate it but it never bothered me.

I don't think that is the Soarin attraction is it? I thought that was the large convention center they have for conferences and the large brunches. I thought I had Mother's Day Brunch in there once.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I don't think that is the Soarin attraction is it? I thought that was the large convention center they have for conferences and the large brunches. I thought I had Mother's Day Brunch in there once.

No, that's the Soarin' show building.

Are you thinking of Millennium Village?

 

[phi2134]

No, that's the Soarin' show building.

Are you thinking of Millennium Village?

That's it, I always thought that dome was bigger, but I guess I totally underestimated Soarin's size.

 

[Rob562]

The Harry show building isn't that bad, nor is the Soarin' one. It's just the nature of such large attractions fit into such tight spaces. I was just pointing it out since the "Harry Potter=Fail" people all ready began the usual spiels without realizing that the same issues are happening right at home. At least IoA got an elaborate castle in front of the show building, Epcot just got a large hanger! :lol: I'm totally with you though, I too rarely notice these flaws.

I'm not a fan of the Soarin' showbuilding being visible from inside the park, but I think there is an ever-so-slight distinction between Soarin and the various showbuildings at IOA.

With Soarin', I'm sure the bulk of Guests who do see it have no clue what exactly it is. The building itself is so separated from The Land (and you can't really see it when you're anywhere near The Land) that it just seems to be some backstage building that they tried to hide.

With Potter, Poseidon's Fury, etc at IOA, you have a highly-themed section of the exterior, and then it suddenly stops and becomes plain showbuilding. The attachment of the two is clearly visible, lessening the impact of the themed portion.

Of course Disney is guilty of this same "mistake": Parts of Mansion's building visible above the exit, the Main Street buildings ending and being visible just beyond the Plaza Restaurant, the upcoming Dumbo queue building (though I'll wait for final judgement on that until it's done and all the landscaping has been added), to a lesser extent the Mexico showbuilding as visible from Test Track.

-Rob

 

[Tom]

I'm not a fan of the Soarin' showbuilding being visible from inside the park, but I think there is an ever-so-slight distinction between Soarin and the various showbuildings at IOA.

With Soarin', I'm sure the bulk of Guests who do see it have no clue what exactly it is. The building itself is so separated from The Land (and you can't really see it when you're anywhere near The Land) that it just seems to be some backstage building that they tried to hide.

With Potter, Poseidon's Fury, etc at IOA, you have a highly-themed section of the exterior, and then it suddenly stops and becomes plain showbuilding. The attachment of the two is clearly visible, lessening the impact of the themed portion.

Of course Disney is guilty of this same "mistake": Parts of Mansion's building visible above the exit, the Main Street buildings ending and being visible just beyond the Plaza Restaurant, the upcoming Dumbo queue building (though I'll wait for final judgement on that until it's done and all the landscaping has been added), to a lesser extent the Mexico showbuilding as visible from Test Track.

-Rob

I'll at least give them a bit of credit for lowering the Soarin building as much as they could. As you go through the queue, you walk quite a bit downhill. That monstrosity could be much more intrusive. I still don't like it, but they tried.

Universal hangs their hat on the "we're a working studio" mantra when they let show buildings hang out all over the place. DHS is the same way. They'll put up some nice facades, but then you see warehouses (wait, I mean soundstages) all over the place. I don't know if it's them being cheap, or honestly trying to live up to the "backstage" nature of it all.

I see Potter as being similar to ToT, in that they're not "backstage" themed attractions. WDW did a fantastic job of theming every square inch of ToT (including the modifications when they built Fantasmic), and rightfully so. Uni should have spent a few more dollars on Potter. It's such an immersive land (so I've heard), that it's a shame to have a warehouse sticking out.

Regarding Main Street and HM....I see those as mere oversights or accidents. When they built MK, they spared no expense and tried with all their might to hide this stuff. You only see HM because of the lack of foliage these days. A few more trees and it would disappear. But it's still painted natural green and somewhat disappears. They probably could have extended the Main Street facades a bit further by Tomorrowland, but perhaps they just missed that one line-of-sight when laying everything out. I give those early Imagineers way more credit than today's. Today, they'd see it and go "Meh, saved $50,000 in facade construction." Back then, they probably walked the park after opening and said, "OH $#!+, put that on the list to fix!"

 

[cjkeating]

Just to illustrate the Hogwarts shed... I took this photo during my first trip to Florida and my first trip to IoA and my first ride on Harry Potter.

I didn't know the shed existed I just managed to spot it from the queue in the outdoor conservatory area. Quite shocking to be honest.