'Lightyear' Coming Summer 2022

[TP2000]

I wouldn't count on this. There will be a few dozen theaters that will be willing to play Lightyear for another month or two as long as it makes some money (even if it's not that much).

Ah, yes.

Those theaters with the sticky floors with 13 layers of Cherry Coke on them who haven't seen a mop in years.

Aim high, Pixar!

 

[TP2000]

The box office numbers are in for this weekend, late on Sunday afternoon Pacific Time. Lightyear just finished it's fifth weekend and is at $117 Million domestically.

 

[TP2000]

While I question this writer's opinion that Lightyear will be "huge" on Disney+, she does explore the valid point that Pixar has seemingly weakened its own brand by putting it's recent movies straight to Disney+ for free instead of Premier Access (Turning Red), or moving them to free streaming on Disney+ within 45 days of a lackluster theater run (Lightyear).

Lightyear Will Be Huge On Disney+ (& That's A Problem For Pixar)

Good for Lightyear, bad for Pixar.

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Which really brings me back to my question this thread created for me.... Why does the Disney company have two separate flagship animation studios at great cost 350 miles apart from each other, instead of consolidating them into one studio located on one campus in Burbank?

 

[Disney Irish]

Which really brings me back to my question this thread created for me.... Why does the Disney company have two separate flagship animation studios at great cost 350 miles apart from each other, instead of consolidating them into one studio located on one campus in Burbank?

Do you really want an answer to this? I'm asking seriously, because you know that no one here has the actual answer. So it seems more like you're trying to will this scenario where Disney consolidates Pixar and WDAS into existence.

Also why does it have to be Burbank? Why couldn't they consolidate in Emeryville?

 

[BuddyThomas]

While I question this writer's opinion that Lightyear will be "huge" on Disney+, she does explore the valid point that Pixar has seemingly weakened its own brand by putting it's recent movies straight to Disney+ for free instead of Premier Access (Turning Red), or moving them to free streaming on Disney+ within 45 days of a lackluster theater run (Lightyear).

Lightyear Will Be Huge On Disney+ (& That's A Problem For Pixar)

Good for Lightyear, bad for Pixar.

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Which really brings me back to my question this thread created for me.... Why does the Disney company have two separate flagship animation studios at great cost 350 miles apart from each other, instead of consolidating them into one studio located on one campus in Burbank?

Oh. My. God. You never stop.

 

[Magenta Panther]

While I question this writer's opinion that Lightyear will be "huge" on Disney+, she does explore the valid point that Pixar has seemingly weakened its own brand by putting it's recent movies straight to Disney+ for free instead of Premier Access (Turning Red), or moving them to free streaming on Disney+ within 45 days of a lackluster theater run (Lightyear).

Lightyear Will Be Huge On Disney+ (& That's A Problem For Pixar)

Good for Lightyear, bad for Pixar.

screenrant.com

Which really brings me back to my question this thread created for me.... Why does the Disney company have two separate flagship animation studios at great cost 350 miles apart from each other, instead of consolidating them into one studio located on one campus in Burbank?

Can't answer the latter, mostly because I don't know and don't care , but as to whether or not Lightyear will be "huge" on Disney+ - what exactly does that mean? How does Disney make any money off it? As has been mentioned on these forums before, Disney+ is a money pit right now. Deeply in the red. Putting a flop movie on it doesn't gain Disney anything. I doubt it will result in more subscribers. And I don't think it's going to become a cultural phenom like Encanto. IMO, Lightyear is over and done. Best to learn lessons from it and move on...

 

[Magenta Panther]

The box office numbers are in for this weekend, late on Sunday afternoon Pacific Time. Lightyear just finished it's fifth weekend and is at $117 Million domestically.

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Yeesh. What an embarrassment for Disney/Pixar. Worse than The Good Dinosaur, given that Lightyear was derived from a known, much-loved and successful IP. It's official - Lightyear is a bomb.

 

[TP2000]

Oh. My. God. You never stop.

Not until it shows up on Disney+ for free.

Otherwise, I'm pretty busy this summer.

 

[TP2000]

Can't answer the latter, mostly because I don't know and don't care , but as to whether or not Lightyear will be "huge" on Disney+ - what exactly does that mean?

That's a great question.

Apparently it's "minutes watched", even though everyone paid the same 8 bucks to watch. Or not watch.

How does Disney make any money off it?

That's another great question. If I was still a shareholder, I'd demand to know. Apparently it's "DVD sales" and the Sox merchandise that isn't selling at Target this summer.

As has been mentioned on these forums before, Disney+ is a money pit right now. Deeply in the red. Putting a flop movie on it doesn't gain Disney anything. I doubt it will result in more subscribers.

I imagine that Disney+ is a money pit, like other streaming services who are trying to quickly amortize movies that had production budgets of $150 to $200 Million. And then didn't even sell that amount in tickets at theaters. And then got dumped on corporate-parent streaming services for free.

And I don't think it's going to become a cultural phenom like Encanto. IMO, Lightyear is over and done. Best to learn lessons from it and move on...

The problem there is the next movie from Pixar doesn't arrive until Summer, 2023. That's about 11 months from now. It's called Elemental and appears to be sort of an Inside Out Meets When Harry Met Sally. With a PG rating. Aimed at families with children. I wish them all the luck in the world.

But I say that only because I sold the last of my Disney stock a year ago.

 

[TP2000]

Yeesh. What an embarrassment for Disney/Pixar. Worse than The Good Dinosaur, given that Lightyear was derived from a known, much-loved and successful IP. It's official - Lightyear is a bomb.

It is official. What's more important is... will they learn from their mistakes?

 

[TP2000]

Do you really want an answer to this? I'm asking seriously, because you know that no one here has the actual answer. So it seems more like you're trying to will this scenario where Disney consolidates Pixar and WDAS into existence.

Also why does it have to be Burbank? Why couldn't they consolidate in Emeryville?

Why wouldn't you put it in Burbank? An animation studio consolidated in Burbank will be able to use all the HR Department, Security, Operations, Accounting, Christmas Party Planning, etc., etc. departments that the Walt Disney Animation Studios complex in Burbank utilizes by being located right across the street from Corporate Headquarters.

Instead of being located 350 miles north very randomly in Emeryville, in a Light Industrial zoned non-city north of Oakland that is right across the parking lot from a CVS. And an International House of Pancakes. And a FedEx drop box. And one block from a Kentucky Fried Chicken.

So at least you can get some chicken and mail something fast after your last movie flops. Again.

Unless their financial fortunes change dramatically with Elemental next summer, and with John Lassetter long gone, I have no earthly idea why Pixar still exists up there in Emeryville.

 

[TwilightZone]

The problem there is the next movie from Pixar doesn't arrive until Summer, 2023.

Is pixar finally done with the 2 movies per year technique? I haven't heard of a fall movie release for next year yet. I hope so because they had a better track record with the 1 movie per year technique.

 

[Disney Irish]

Why wouldn't you put it in Burbank? An animation studio consolidated in Burbank will be able to use all the HR Department, Security, Operations, Accounting, Christmas Party Planning, etc., etc. departments that the Walt Disney Animation Studios complex in Burbank utilizes by being located right across the street from Corporate Headquarters.

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Instead of being located 350 miles north very randomly in Emeryville, in a Light Industrial zoned non-city north of Oakland that is right across the parking lot from a CVS. And an International House of Pancakes. And a FedEx drop box. And one block from a Kentucky Fried Chicken.

So at least you can get some chicken and mail something fast after your last movie flops. Again.

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Unless their financial fortunes change dramatically with Elemental next summer, and with John Lassetter long gone, I have no earthly idea why Pixar still exists up there in Emeryville.

You do know this isn't the 1950s where everything and everyone needs to be in the same area right? Also you don't think they have on-site HR, Security, Operations, the ability to have a Holiday Party and other amenities at the site in Emeryville? I mean Pixar was a separate fully functional company at that site at one point, so I'm pretty sure they have all that in Emeryville.

Many many many companies around the world run just fine with multiple sites separate from the main HQ campus, including Disney as not every one of their operations are in Burbank. Also haven't you posted before that you're fine with Disney moving other operations away from Burbank, Anaheim, and Glendale, so why not this one too?

Now I can't say whether Pixar will ever be folded into WDAS, but I can say that if it was the Emeryville site would work just as well as Burbank.

 

[TP2000]

Is pixar finally done with the 2 movies per year technique? I haven't heard of a fall movie release for next year yet. I hope so because they had a better track record with the 1 movie per year technique.

Agreed on the one-per-year thing. But they abandoned that years ago, probably in a dictate from Burbank that they create more product to sell.

With Lightyear's flop, Pixar is now done for calendar year '22. They've got nothing until Elemental appears in theaters for "Summer, 2023". So, assuming a June release date for Elemental, that's about 11 months from now.

Until then, they're just watering the lawn up there at that luxurious campus in Emeryville...

 

[TP2000]

You do know this isn't the 1950s where everything and everyone needs to be in the same area right? Also you don't think they have on-site HR, Security, Operations, the ability to have a Holiday Party and other amenities at the site in Emeryville? I mean Pixar was a separate fully functional company at that site at one point, so I'm pretty sure they have all that in Emeryville.

Exactly my point. They have all of Burbank's on-site services duplicated in Emeryville. Security, HR, Operations, Dry Cleaning, Fitness Center, Christmas Holiday Party Planning, etc., etc.

So why are they duplicating all that work when they can consolidate it in Burbank?

Many many many companies around the world run just fine with multiple sites separate from the main HQ campus, including Disney as not every one of their operations are in Burbank. Also haven't you posted before that you're fine with Disney moving other operations away from Burbank, Anaheim, and Glendale, so why not this one too?

Moving the 3,000 Burbank/Glendale employees to Orlando was about cost savings, which is what I think needs to be done with Pixar. But that was before they paused the 3,000 employees moving to Florida ahead of layoffs now coming in 2023 due to the current recession and bleak economic forecast through '25.

They've got two full-fare, lavishly-funded, energy-sucking animation studios that are 350 miles apart. It made sense 20 years ago when you could tell the difference between a computer-generated cartoon and a hand-drawn cartoon. But now you can't tell the difference. They all look the same. The only remaining difference between a "Disney Cartoon!" and a "Pixar Cartoon!" is elaborate musical production numbers that still are the hallmark of Disney cartoons.

So just lump the two studios together in Burbank, lay off at least 1,500 white collar employees between the two campuses, and only put elaborate musical production numbers in cartoons that have "Disney" in the title. Done!

Oh, and get your production budgets for cartoons down to around $100 Million per film.

Look at that, I just saved Burbank execs about $500 Million per year. You're welcome in advance.

 

[Disney Irish]

Exactly my point. They have all of Burbank's on-site services duplicated in Emeryville. Security, HR, Operations, Dry Cleaning, Fitness Center, Christmas Holiday Party Planning, etc., etc.

So why are they duplicating all that work when they can consolidate it in Burbank?



Moving the 3,000 Burbank/Glendale employees to Orlando was about cost savings, which is what I think needs to be done with Pixar. But that was before they paused the 3,000 employees moving to Florida ahead of layoffs now coming in 2023 due to the current recession and bleak economic forecast through '25.

They've got two full-fare, lavishly-funded, energy-sucking animation studios that are 350 miles apart. It made sense 20 years ago when you could tell the difference between a computer-generated cartoon and a hand-drawn cartoon. But now you can't tell the difference. They all look the same. The only remaining difference between a "Disney Cartoon!" and a "Pixar Cartoon!" is elaborate musical production numbers that still are the hallmark of Disney cartoons.

So just lump the two studios together in Burbank, lay off at least 1,500 white collar employees between the two campuses, and only put elaborate musical production numbers in cartoons that have "Disney" in the title. Done!

Oh, and get your production budgets for cartoons down to around $100 Million per film.

Look at that, I just saved Burbank execs about $500 Million per year. You're welcome in advance.

Well as someone who has worked at many companies that have remote sites for different operations, even though they have duplicate services, I completely disagree with you. And I’m sure so do the approx 1500 people at Pixar.

 

[BuddyThomas]

It is official. What's more important is... will they learn from their mistakes?

Well, at least you have the Muppet hating Magenta Panther on your side. Now you have clout! Or something.

 

[BuddyThomas]

That's a great question.

Apparently it's "minutes watched", even though everyone paid the same 8 bucks to watch. Or not watch.



That's another great question. If I was still a shareholder, I'd demand to know. Apparently it's "DVD sales" and the Sox merchandise that isn't selling at Target this summer.



I imagine that Disney+ is a money pit, like other streaming services who are trying to quickly amortize movies that had production budgets of $150 to $200 Million. And then didn't even sell that amount in tickets at theaters. And then got dumped on corporate-parent streaming services for free.



The problem there is the next movie from Pixar doesn't arrive until Summer, 2023. That's about 11 months from now. It's called Elemental and appears to be sort of an Inside Out Meets When Harry Met Sally. With a PG rating. Aimed at families with children. I wish them all the luck in the world.

But I say that only because I sold the last of my Disney stock a year ago.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Well, at least you have the Muppet hating Magenta Panther on your side. Now you have clout! Or something.

Oh, yeah, those old puppets. They're a flop too. An ongoing, continual flop. A real money-loser, just like Lightyear. Embarrassing, how much they flop. Project after project after project. I knew it. I called it. It's a heavy burden, being so right all of the time.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Oh, yeah, those old puppets. They're a flop too. An ongoing, continual flop. A real money-loser, just like Lightyear. Embarrassing, how much they flop. Project after project after project. I knew it. I called it. It's a heavy burden, being so right all of the time.


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Yeah, they're such a flop that they continue to be brought back in all sorts of situations over and over and over again. You called nothing. As usual.