'Lightyear' Coming Summer 2022

[TwilightZone]

Thinking about it and Lightyear could have worked better if it was a short or ABC special, have it be revealed at the end it's another of Andy's or the girl from TS3 (sorry I blank out on her name) games. Or something like that.

It didn't need a whole movie.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I wonder if aside from Toy Story fatigue (which at a comparable fifth movie in the franchise, Minions clearly doesn't have - and I do want to see that one at some point when it streams as I'm sure it's BANANAAAAAAAAAS ), and also aside from D+ windowing expectations, there is Pixar fatigue for anyone besides me?

Pixar had an amazing run of films in a row, including three of my faves (Cars, Wall-E, UP).

And then it started getting iffy for me (TS3, MI2).

And then it started getting painful (struggled through Cars 2, hated Brave, Inside Out & Good Dinosaur).

Finding Dory and Cars 3 back to meh.

Coco at least had some originality and the art was gorgeous but the story was so depressing I have never rewatched it.

Back to meh with Incredibles 2 and TS 4.

And then back to torturous with Onward, which was the point at which I said no more. I was not going to watch a Pixar movie just because it was a Pixar movie.

(Turns out I picked a bad point to stop as once I finally recently got around to taking a chance and watching Soul, I adored it and it immediately jumped into my top 5 faves for Pixar films.)

I have no interest in seeing Luca, Turning Red or Lightyear.

I wonder if I'm the only one or does Pixar no longer have the appeal in general that it used to, regardless of whether it's in theaters or on D+?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I have no interest in seeing Luca

Luca is pretty good. I’d give it a try. You probably won’t like turning red.

 

[TwilightZone]

Pixar no longer have the appeal in general that it used to

Yeah pretty much the same for me, I do want to see Inside Out, Luca, and Coco some day, but also feel eh about seeing them.
I did watch Soul and loved it, but I only watched because I was at a family event, not sure if I would have saw it if I wasn't there.
Felt eh about Incredibles 2 and TS4, only watched because I liked the previous movies and hoped they would be good. Especially Incredibles 2.
Brave was so meh it made me decide to never watch most Pixar movies in a theater again unless the concept really interested me...which there weren't a whole lot.

Meanwhile I spent ticket money on Illumination and Dreamworks films (and a bunch of non-animated flicks) and had a lot more fun there.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Luca is pretty good. I’d give it a try. You probably won’t like turning red.

It just doesn't call me at all. Kids in Italy who are sea creatures. Nope. Just not interested.

I guess in thinking about it, I seem to prefer the Pixar films about adults (but not Lightyear) - my faves are Cars (the first one), UP, Wall-E, Monsters Inc. and Soul. I appreciate the first Incredibles film and Ratatouille but neither are ones I feel any need to rewatch even periodically.

The Pixar movies focused on kids or teens just don't land for me the way Disney's do. Though equally, I've recently also given up on "gotta watch every Disney animated film because Disney" and "gotta watch ever Star Wars thing because Star Wars".

I still am at must watch all Marvel, even though She-Hulk may break me. lol

 

[TwilightZone]

The original lineup of Pixar was so good (I count UP and TS3 in there even though they weren't part of the original pitch meetings). Some movies I admittedly didn't get until I was older (ratitoullie and UP), but I love now. I knew even as a kid that these movies were high quality, with the only thing coming close around the time being the original Ice Age.
After TS3 there was a big shift...and I know it's not me being older since I can appreciate the old Pixar stuff more now I am older rather than less.

 

[TwilightZone]

 

[TP2000]

Tonight over the bonfire during Patio TalkTM, my young nephews and their lovely wives had to explain to me why Minions are such a big deal. Then they showed me all the stuff on Social Media. Apparently the Minions have become a HUGE FREAKING DEAL with Gen Z. And teenage boys across America are all going to the Minions movie dressed in suits?

Needless to say, the Social Media buzz on Minions seems to be viral and genuinely happy, while the Social Media buzz for Lightyear seemed to be fabricated and aimed only at people who don't normally go to Pixar family movies. Guess which one of those movies just won the box office?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Yeah pretty much the same for me, I do want to see Inside Out, Luca, and Coco some day, but also feel eh about seeing them.
I did watch Soul and loved it, but I only watched because I was at a family event, not sure if I would have saw it if I wasn't there.
Felt eh about Incredibles 2 and TS4, only watched because I liked the previous movies and hoped they would be good. Especially Incredibles 2.
Brave was so meh it made me decide to never watch most Pixar movies in a theater again unless the concept really interested me...which there weren't a whole lot.

Meanwhile I spent ticket money on Illumination and Dreamworks films (and a bunch of non-animated flicks) and had a lot more fun there.

I think this shows how subjective all these attempts at finding out when Pixar was good and then stopped being good really are.

Inside Out was a critical and box office hit, Luca was the most-streamed movie of 2021, and Coco was both a critical and box office hit and has seemed to have its appeal grow over the years based on the fact in 2021 it was the only 'older' Disney/Pixar film to make the top 15 streaming list alongside Moana and Frozen. So, while Pixar may have lost some or a lot of those who grew up with their original run of films, they do seem to be building a new audience which is probably exactly what they need to do.

Perhaps part of the problem with Lightyear is that the marketing was pitched more at the demographic who would have seen the original 1995 film in theatres? I mean, is David Bowie really bigger with the younger audiences? Not sure, but I agree with @TrainsOfDisney that the marketing of Turning Red was certainly a lot more colourful and appealing for a younger demographic. It may seem obvious, but I think Domee Shi's idea of putting red pandas at the center of the film because they are a big, fluffy, and cute way to talk about things that are otherwise awkward was a good one.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I think this shows how subjective all these attempts at finding out when Pixar was good and then stopped being good really are.

Inside Out was a critical and box office hit, Luca was the most-streamed movie of 2021, and Coco was both a critical and box office hit and has seemed to have its appeal grow over the years based on the fact in 2021 it was the only 'older' Disney/Pixar film to make the top 15 streaming list alongside Moana and Frozen. So, while Pixar may have lost some or a lot of those who grew up with their original run of films, they do seem to be building a new audience which is probably exactly what they need to do.

Perhaps part of the problem with Lightyear is that the marketing was pitched more at the demographic who would have seen the original 1995 film in theatres? I mean, is David Bowie really bigger with the younger audiences? Not sure, but I agree with @TrainsOfDisney that the marketing of Turning Red was certainly a lot more colourful and appealing for a younger demographic. It may seem obvious, but I think Domee Shi's idea of putting red pandas at the center of the film because they are a big, fluffy, and cute way to talk about things that are otherwise awkward was a good one.

Very good points.

I will add, I’ve loved most Pixar stuff. My only real busts are Cars (never liked cars), Good Dinosaur, Brave, MI2.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It wasn’t that long ago that Iger was buying Pixar because he realized the kids in the parks were more excited for the Pixar character than the Disney characters… now it’s Frozen, Encanto, Moana… all Disney Animation films that seem to have the buzz. Times have changed.

Having said that I wasn’t a huge fan of Turning Red or Luca but Soul was a great Pixar movie and was only a few years ago, it seems a bit early to be declaring the downfall of the studio.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It wasn’t that long ago that Iger was buying Pixar because he realized the kids in the parks were more excited for the Pixar character than the Disney characters… now it’s Frozen, Encanto, Moana… all Disney Animation films that seem to have the buzz. Times have changed.

Pixar needs to make musicals is the lesson!!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Pixar needs to make musicals is the lesson!!

I didn’t even notice that connection, but I hope Pixar sticks to original stories.

It’s interesting that they only have one upcoming movie announced right now though, and Elemental sounds earily similar to Inside Out, so maybe theyv’e run out of original ideas.

 

[TwilightZone]

I didn’t even notice that connection, but I hope Pixar sticks to original stories.

It’s interesting that they only have one upcoming movie announced right now though, and Elemental sounds earily similar to Inside Out, so maybe theyv’e run out of original ideas.

Now to be fair, "if x had emotions" has been a running theme and joke with pixar since the beginning.
So I guess what if elements had emotions isn't too far off.

To me it reminds me less of inside out, more of zootopia with it's plot summary.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I didn’t even notice that connection, but I hope Pixar sticks to original stories.

The musicals were original stories (excepting their sequels).

 

[TP2000]

Just to follow up on a convo that I somehow just knew would go this way...

Lightyear during its entire run may end up doing a lot better than is being portrayed here.

Possibly - but it'll need a strong 2nd weekend before it runs into Gru and Thor in the upcoming weekends.

And then, after stumbling right out of the gate, it fell off a cliff it's second weekend out.

True, after the initial uproar has died down I have a feeling it'll end up getting legs.

Lightyear was amputated at the legs. He's now in a wheelchair heading to Disney+ for $8.

In three days the Minions just blew past Lightyear's total 17 day haul. The PG rated Minions is not just a huge hit with parents bringing their young children to the theaters, Minions is a huge hit with teens and college-aged young men (who also grew up with Toy Story and Pixar but avoided Lightyear).

From CNN today:
The industry has been anxiously waiting to see if families — who have been somewhat reluctant to bring their children to the movies during the pandemic — would return to theaters. While there have been family-friendly hits such as "Sonic the Hedgehog 2," this question became more pressing after Disney (DIS)'s and Pixar's "Lightyear" flopped at the box office last month.

But the performance of "Minions" shows that not only do families want to come back, but they'll come back in large numbers for the right film.

"Families want to be in theaters," Jim Orr, Universal's president of domestic theatrical distribution, told CNN Business. "They want the social event of it all."

'Minions: The Rise of Gru' breaks box office records

The Minions went bananas at the box office this weekend.

www.cnn.com

This new teenage suit craze just makes me laugh and laugh for some reason!

Box Office: ‘Minions: The Rise of Gru’ Sparks Meme Frenzy Among Young Males

Male teenagers and young adult males are dressing up in suits, ties and even scarves — just like the character Gru — to go see the 'Minions' sequel in cinemas.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Just to follow up on a convo that I somehow just knew would go this way...





And then, after stumbling right out of the gate, it fell off a cliff it's second weekend out.



Lightyear was amputated at the legs. He's now in a wheelchair heading to Disney+ for $8.

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In three days the Minions just blew past Lightyear's total 17 day haul. The PG rated Minions is not just a huge hit with parents bringing their young children to the theaters, Minions is a huge hit with teens and college-aged Gen Z young men (who also grew up with Toy Story and Pixar but avoided Lightyear).

From CNN today:
The industry has been anxiously waiting to see if families — who have been somewhat reluctant to bring their children to the movies during the pandemic — would return to theaters. While there have been family-friendly hits such as "Sonic the Hedgehog 2," this question became more pressing after Disney (DIS)'s and Pixar's "Lightyear" flopped at the box office last month.

But the performance of "Minions" shows that not only do families want to come back, but they'll come back in large numbers for the right film.

"Families want to be in theaters," Jim Orr, Universal's president of domestic theatrical distribution, told CNN Business. "They want the social event of it all."

'Minions: The Rise of Gru' breaks box office records

The Minions went bananas at the box office this weekend.

www.cnn.com

This new teenage suit craze just makes me laugh and laugh for some reason!

Box Office: ‘Minions: The Rise of Gru’ Sparks Meme Frenzy Among Young Males

Male teenagers and young adult males are dressing up in suits, ties and even scarves — just like the character Gru — to go see the 'Minions' sequel in cinemas.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Not sure why you're quoting me here, maybe its because I interact with you? Dunno, but seems weird to me that you quote just me when others also thought Lightyear might do better longer term.

Anyways, so what? It'll probably end up making about $215M worldwide. I know you seem to think this is some indication of the downfall of Disney or Pixar or something, but I just see it as one movie that didn't do up to expectations. And again I say so what? Disney will be fine, Pixar will be fine. In fact later this week Disney has another movie coming out, so everything will good. You see my friend I don't look at this one individual movie at a time, I look at the whole slate of movies and judge based on that.

 

[TP2000]

Not sure why you're quoting me here, maybe its because I interact with you? Dunno, but seems weird to me that you quote just me when others also thought Lightyear might do better longer term.

It was a perfect summary of people thinking Lightyear would somehow recover after it's bad opening weekend. It failed to do that.

Lightyear will not just fail to break even, but thanks to it's ridiculously bloated $200 Million production budget, it will actually end up costing Walt Disney Studios several hundred million dollars in costs now.

That's a business strategy that is unsustainable and must change immediately. The mistakes with Lightyear can't be repeated many more times or else Pixar and Walt Disney Studios will need to radically rethink their production strategy going forward. Perhaps merge the two studios?

 

[Disney Irish]

It was a perfect summary of people thinking Lightyear would somehow recover after it's bad opening weekend. It failed to do that.

No reason to single me out, but whatever.

Lightyear will not just fail to break even, but thanks to it's ridiculously bloated $200 Million production budget, it will actually end up costing Walt Disney Studios several hundred million dollars in costs now.

I think we can all agree that Disney as a whole has bloated budgets, and its something they need to address company wide and not just at Pixar or WDAS.

That's a business strategy that is unsustainable and must change immediately. The mistakes with Lightyear can't be repeated many more times or else Pixar and Walt Disney Studios will need to radically rethink their production strategy going forward. Perhaps merge the two studios?

Says who? You? Disney has many properties that makes WAY more than what Lightyear lost. The MCU for one is a Billion dollar printing machine. So I think Disney can risk a few movies losing money before they "must change immediately". They have no risk of going under just because Lightyear failed to make back its budget.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I wish onward had done better... what an unfortunate release time. I saw It twice and bawled like a baby both times