Laketravis
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Nobody is saying that 45 minutes isn't 45 minutes. What we are saying is the perception is different.
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Nobody is saying that 45 minutes isn't 45 minutes. What we are saying is the perception is different.
Splash4eva
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Not sure what that means or has to do with this conversation but either way. 45 minutes for you will be the same 45 minutes for me if thats the posted and accurate wait time. That im positive of.
To put it in simpler terms
If we both get on a ride at 5pm and wait is 45 minutes and the ride is 5 and we both get off exactly same time…
Now
We both have 6pm dinner reservations.
How much time do you have to get there and how much time do i have?
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I think it's too early to tell if the DAS change affected standby lines. As far as the LL lines, all we have is anecdotal evidence. I personally felt like the LLs were shorter this past November, but that doesn't line up with your experience. So were you unlucky or was I lucky? Who knows?
The whole chart below is ~3 years worth of weekly average wait time at MK. The red line is ~when DAS changes happened. Standby waits do look lower, but correlation does not always mean causation.
Laketravis
Well-Known Member
Would you agree that a 45 minute wait for someone with DAS "feels" much longer than the same 45 minute wait for someone without DAS even though they are both waiting 45 minutes?
It's a matter of perspective. A moving line "feels" quicker than a constantly stopping line because in the case of start/stop/start/stop of unknown intervals the 45 minute posted wait time begins to feel like a poor estimate even if it's ultimately correct.
LSLS
Well-Known Member
I don't know if you have more time in the parks because I don't know what attendance did in the time frame yet. If attendance is up 7% and wait times are down 5%, I'd say it made a pretty substantial difference. If attendance is down and wait times are down, then I would agree it did not give you more time in the park. BUT, again, the more important part is people FEEL HAPPIER not having to wait in lines that don't move.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Totally agree regarding LL waits for anyone. I was just stating my experience from a trip taken 3 weeks ago. I also been on record saying LL in my experience were never that bad sans a ride breaking down and hopping on during the initial opening where others felt LL lines were dragging.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
I only care about reality and facts when it comes to how long i have to wait. People here alll complained lines were long and factually speaking 45 minutes is 45 minutes. But to answer you and im sure you know my answer and i have DAS to me 20 minutes is 20 minutes. 45 minutes is 45 minutes.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
So Disney has yet again duped the public into thinking they are having a happier experience by really doing nothing but charging others more for premier services. This company is Good!
Chip Chipperson
Well-Known Member
True, but others will see the physically longer 45-minute line that moves and be deterred by the length, especially if they have visited in the past and remember what 45 minutes used to look like and don'trealizethat the physical length is a result of the LL queue being shorter. If they think the posted wait times are understated they may be annoyed by that and feel like they are priced out of WDW or annoyed that LLPP sold out before they could get it. Or they may not want to wait out in the sun when a physically shorter line would have been indoors/shaded. Or they may not like being in a more crowded standby line. Everyone's perception will be different any time there is a change like that.
JMcMahonEsq
Well-Known Member
Who/where is this lasting feeling of being happier? I mean if you get to the park at 9AM, and by 12 you have waited in 3 45min lines, and rode 3 rides before lunch, is one group really all that happier than another? Unless you are in some highly themed line like Peter Pan, is there really all that much of a better "feeling" waiting around in a line vs one that is moving?
This is beside the fact that its not like there are 2 choices, one where a line is constantly moving at a steady pace for 45min, and another where you stand completely still for 45 minutes, and then bang you are on the ride. I know just as many people who find it better to wait in one spot, then make a longer move forward, as opposed to just a slow steady craw.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Same was said about paid FP and here we are. IMO it's going to happen as the current setup isn't sustainable.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
Why isn't the current model sustainable? MK will be adding 4 new LL attractions, EPCOT 1 (TT), DHS 1 (maybe 3 with mermaid and villain's show?) and AK 1 or 2 (carousel might not get it)
Chi84
Premium Member
Where have you been? People were predicting for over 20 years that there would be paid FP lol.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Problem is. How long are we waiting for this. Im guessing the new parade will be part of an LL option. Possibly a strict up charge for special/reserved viewing
Disstevefan1
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Do we think folks who purchase LLPP will be able to go into a special viewing area for the parade?
I see a problem with that. EVERYONE who purchased LLPP would be let into the special viewing area?
It would be interesting to watch (from the outside) to watch all those folks flexing all at the same time
ConfettiCupcake
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Do we think folks who purchase LLPP will be able to go into a special viewing area for the parade?
I see a problem with that. EVERYONE who purchased LLPP would be let into the special viewing area?
It would be interesting to watch (from the outside) to watch all those folks flexing all at the same time
Don’t VIP tours already have special viewing areas for shows/parades that exist without any drama or flexing?
Disstevefan1
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Flexing aside, do we think all the folks who purchased LLPP will be able to view from a special viewing area?Don’t VIP tours already have special viewing areas for shows/parades that exist without any drama or flexing?
Splash4eva
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They had it for Illuminations. My guess tho on a serious note you will initially strictly see “dessert parties” & if they dont sell (which they will) adjust accordinglyDo we think folks who purchase LLPP will be able to go into a special viewing area for the parade?
I see a problem with that. EVERYONE who purchased LLPP would be let into the special viewing area?
It would be interesting to watch (from the outside) to watch all those folks flexing all at the same time
TheMaxRebo
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(For the record, a constantly moving line is far more enjoyable, especially when you out - but obviously takes the same amount of time ... But you feel like you make more progress per minute of wait)
Do we really need certain people to defend DAS abuse in this thread? It was changed for a reason. That reason was it was abused. Get over yourself and stop making every damn thread about your DAS defending.