Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[WorldExplorer]

You are right. In reality right now, folks are now booking deluxe rooms to have the opportunity to purchase LLPP.

This is interesting. Let’s say the family of 4 from Denver books GF to be able to purchase LLPP.
Disney makes money on the room PLUS multiple days of LLPP for the family of 4.

Making money on top of money, and the LLPP money is 95 percent profit.

I can't imagine there are many people who have enough money that they could choose a resort that will cost them several hundreds more per night so that they can spend several hundreds more per person per day yet were planning to stay at a moderate before that.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You are right. In reality right now, folks are now booking deluxe rooms to have the opportunity to purchase LLPP.

This is interesting. Let’s say the family of 4 from Denver books GF to be able to purchase LLPP.
Disney makes money on the room PLUS multiple days of LLPP for the family of 4.

Making money on top of money, and the LLPP money is 95 percent profit.

I would be shocked if this is encouraging anyone to upgrade to a deluxe resort, if it was included it would be a huge incentive but I’m with Explorer, I can’t imagine there’s many people willing to pay an extra $400 a night for their room just so they can pay $400 more per person for tickets.

 

[Splash4eva]

It's not about making them disappear. It's about making those who pay for short waits get them.

Pretty much for months and years we have seen most people complain as i said about every single version Disney has introduced. Maybe my experience has been different but literally every system they have rolled out i have had major success. Genie + honestly being the best of the best

 

[Chi84]

Pretty much for months and years we have seen most people complain as i said about every single version Disney has introduced. Maybe my experience has been different but literally every system they have rolled out i have had major success. Genie + honestly being the best of the best

You didn’t have issues getting the most popular rides at the times you wanted with Genie+?

 

[Jrb1979]

Pretty much for months and years we have seen most people complain as i said about every single version Disney has introduced. Maybe my experience has been different but literally every system they have rolled out i have had major success. Genie + honestly being the best of the best

For us we always managed to get just about everything done with any of these systems. The problem was always going by a schedule of return times. I know for the majority the answer is "what does it matter if you ride Haunted Mansion at 2 pm or 6 pm as long as you get to ride it"

We look at as what happens when we enter the park and decide we want to ride Haunted Mansion at open? With this new system we can be more spontaneous.

 

[Eric Graham]

I would be shocked if this is encouraging anyone to upgrade to a deluxe resort, if it was included it would be a huge incentive but I’m with Explorer, I can’t imagine there’s many people willing to pay an extra $400 a night for their room just so they can pay $400 more per person for tickets.

i didn't know that you had to book a deluxe resort to get lldp...my wife is the Disney expert, not me...

 

[Splash4eva]

You didn’t have issues getting the most popular rides at the times you wanted with Genie+?

Between booking at 7am & using drops i literally got basically every headliner every time i used it except my 1st which was literally weeks after it rolled out. I had 4 trips after that and pretty much was able to ride everything via Genie.

 

[Splash4eva]

For us we always managed to get just about everything done with any of these systems. The problem was always going by a schedule of return times. I know for the majority the answer is "what does it matter if you ride Haunted Mansion at 2 pm or 6 pm as long as you get to ride it"

We look at as what happens when we enter the park and decide we want to ride Haunted Mansion at open? With this new system we can be more spontaneous.

No system will please everyone but it seems like every system annoys most

 

[SteveAZee]

For us we always managed to get just about everything done with any of these systems. The problem was always going by a schedule of return times. I know for the majority the answer is "what does it matter if you ride Haunted Mansion at 2 pm or 6 pm as long as you get to ride it"

We look at as what happens when we enter the park and decide we want to ride Haunted Mansion at open? With this new system we can be more spontaneous.

I like the idea of exploring the parks (especially MK) land by land rather than zig-zagging based on available LL windows. There's definitely something appealing (and a bit retro to how things were for me in the 90's) about going to a 'land' and just enjoy the theming and meander and explore and pop into a ride at will without a huge wait time... and without clocks to watch.

 

[Disstevefan1]

95% is probably low. I doubt Disney is paying a 5% credit card professing fee.

Assume sales are much higher than expected. Does Disney raise the price or restrict sales to guests staying at Club Level

I just made a guess at 95, because the finance committee may say there is some costs related to the LL infrastructure.

 

[MisterPenguin]

From Scott Gustin.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So here’s two issues I have. Disney self generates the market for LL’s by manipulating their wait times

Hey, @lentesta, did you ever work up that deviation of posted v. real wait times?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I was hoping something like this would be offered to everyone and not just the very rich.

As been said multiple times in this thread, they will have a strict limit on these.

The fact that only those in Deluxe and select resorts can buy them, shows how limited they will be.

 

[C33Mom]

As been said multiple times in this thread, they will have a strict limit on these.

If it was offered to everyone at low prices then it would just be the regular queue again.

I am not sure Disney even wants to sell this so much as they want to get back the person who says “I refuse to go to Disney World, it requires too much planning and it’s too stressful and I’ll pay an extra $1500 a day not to have to research, think or plan out my day.”
I’m almost that person except I still love the parks so now we’ll go for 4-8 days instead of 10-20 days, and spend more time at other parks and on cruises.

 

[lentesta]

Hey, @lentesta, did you ever work up that deviation of posted v. real wait times?

Ah. I dumped the data and matched actuals to reals. Then got distracted. I’ll do it this week.

 

[Jrb1979]

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From Scott Gustin.

All I get from that is SeaWorld is the best value.

I'm all honesty when you're on vacation who really takes time to price out cost per ride?

When we buy the premier pass the value isn't in the money but being able to do the parks how we like to do them. No waiting in return times, or having to be at the parks at specific times. We can be spontaneous and do them as we like.

 

[osian]

All I get from that is SeaWorld is the best value.

I'm all honesty when you're on vacation who really takes time to price out cost per ride?

When we buy the premier pass the value isn't in the money but being able to do the parks how we like to do them. No waiting in return times, or having to be at the parks at specific times. We can be spontaneous and do them as we like.

I'm going to SeaWorld in a fortnight. It's forecast to be a quiet day but I bought a QQ in advance anyway, it was quite cheap. I don't think that table does it justice - where it says the number of rides, does that mean the number of rides that offer it or the average number of rides that you can expect to get? Last time I used it, I got 3 rides each on the major coasters plus 14 goes on Mako! And when I wanted. That's why the Disney paid fast passes are not worth it for me. They assume you're ging to want to ride everything, and only once. I wouldn't want to ride absolutely everything, many of the rides don't interest me. But I would want to ride my favourites more than once.

 

[Jrb1979]

I'm going to SeaWorld in a fortnight. It's forecast to be a quiet day but I bought a QQ in advance anyway, it was quite cheap. I don't think that table does it justice - where it says the number of rides, does that mean the number of rides that offer it or the average number of rides that you can expect to get? Last time I used it, I got 3 rides each out of all the major coasters plus 14 goes on Mako! And when I wanted. That's why the Disney paid fast passes are not worth it for me. They assume you're ging to want to ride everything, and only once. I wouldn't want to ride absolutely everything, many of the rides don't interest me. But I would want to ride my favourites more than once.

Agreed. I'm the same way. Last time I was at Universal we did Mummy 11 times, Hulk 7 times and Spiderman 8 times over our stay.

I think we are in the minority when it comes to your average guest. Most are fine with riding things once maybe twice a visit. Your average guest isn't a ride warrior.

 

[lewisc]

I would be shocked if this is encouraging anyone to upgrade to a deluxe resort, if it was included it would be a huge incentive but I’m with Explorer, I can’t imagine there’s many people willing to pay an extra $400 a night for their room just so they can pay $400 more per person for tickets.

Guests staying at Dolphin, Swan, Swan Reserve, SoG and DVC Cabins at FW qualify to purchase LLPP.

I just made a guess at 95, because the finance committee may say there is some costs related to the LL infrastructure.

The bean counters may claim that but LLPP does not require any additional CMs at the attractions. I would think existing employees, during scheduled work time, could handle updating signage and IT.

The incremental revenue, minus credit card fees and possible commission, is profit.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Agreed. I'm the same way. Last time I was at Universal we did Mummy 11 times, Hulk 7 times and Spiderman 8 times over our stay.

I think we are in the minority when it comes to your average guest. Most are fine with riding things once maybe twice a visit. Your average guest isn't a ride warrior.

This is why I happily pay for an After Hours event. I was able to ride FoP 17 times in a row.