Jrb1979
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After hours events don't work for us as we have a 5 year old and it's too late for us.
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Splash4eva
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Raise price. Its literally their business model
MrPromey
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Again, after the change to G+, according to @lentesta 's calculations from over at touringplans, the people using this paid replacement to fastpass were getting less than 3 attractions per day after buying it. That's a step down from how people were utilizing the service included with their ticket prices that included the three advanced selections.
For most people paying, they were paying more and not just getting worse value but actually getting less than when they weren't having to pay extra.
Now we have multipass which may be more comparable. Guess it depends on how much you prefer racing to get your selections months in advance or shortly before leaving to visit Florida.
You're right in that when everyone had access, it was not an "exclusive" benefit and if that's what this is about, a sort of "Look at me! I paid more and they gave me something you plebs can't have!!!" then yeah, I suppose G+ was better but if it was about creating a better guest experience in general, the numbers suggest it let nearly everyone down - including those people that got to pay Disney extra to be special.
Maybe they'll get it right this time though with Multipass and this offering and the only people who'll get screwed over with a diminished experience by design as a result will be those who just bought a ticket.
Fingers crossed!
It's obviously not going to benefit the majority. How much it affects them remains to be seen.
Neither you nor I can accurately say it will or won't affect them.
Really depends on how many of the thousands of daily guests this is available for buy into it and what the impact of them having instant-LL access to every ride in a park at once with no managed windows does to those standby times and existing multipass users and their return time windows.
Without seeing how it plays out, I certainly wouldn't want to bet on this having no impact on the busiest times of day on the busiest days, though...
With that in mind, I wonder if it'll be available to buy in app at any time for those elegible.
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MrPromey
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Disney isn't assuming you're going to want to ride everything. I'm pretty sure they know that's not the case for many if not most.
They just can't offer you what you want below VIP pricing or with significantly restricted sales.
You could not care in the least about riding Magic Carpets or doing Philharmagic but them being able to throws those in helps skew the numbers to make the pass look like better value.
This was basically the same when we moved from FP to FP+. At the time, who needed a FP to do Spaceship Earth as a walk-on?
My how things have changed.
MrPromey
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osian
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Strangely, they managed it with the paper fastpass and FastPass+, and Anaheim did it with MaxPass. Was the ability to pick a ride more than once really so bad that they changed it to Genie+ to make things "better"? And did it make it better? The equivalent of FastPass//MaxPass would actually give me what I want. Why is this so economically impossible for Disney to do?
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Vegas Disney Fan
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I forgot about the partner resorts, I wonder if this will hurt deluxe occupancy, I’d think anyone considering this, but on the fence about price, would see a ton of value in “downgrading” from a deluxe resort to the swan or dolphin and saving several hundred dollars every night that they could apply toward LLPP.
MrPromey
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Maybe there's a little confusion here since I don't understand the seaworld program.
Are you talking about being able to pick the rides you want or to pick the rides you want and then do those continuously?
Your post talks about doing some stuff 3 times and one thing 13 times which gave me the impression you were talking about the later.
If you just mean something more like ILL but for the whole park, that's a different story.
MickeyLuv'r
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Wow! I can barely stand to listen to the preshow once. IMO, it is just about the most annoying preshow of any attraction. Kudos to you for your tolerance!
Now I've happily done BTMRR that many times...
Jrb1979
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The SeaWorld program is similar to Universals unlimited Express pass. There is no picking of rides or return times. You just enter their version of LL queue and ride whenever you want. The best part is you can ride something as many times as you want.
I also know that Disney doesn't have to capacity to do that for one. Two, the majority of guests aren't into riding things multiple times.
osian
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Well, I think we are indeed at cross purposes. I was responding to a post about the fact it seems SeaWorld's QQ is better value than Disney's, on a price-per-ride basis. I agreed, saying how many times I'd ridden my favourites at SeaWorld, so not only is it better value on a per-ride basis but also because it allows me to choose the same ride more than once. If I could only choose each ride once, I wouldn't get nearly as much use out of it. In fact, probably wouldn't be worth it. Yes, SeaWorld's pass allows you to ride whatever you want, whenever you want. Although there's a tier system, so you can't do that with the newest rides. We were comparing the "premier pass", no time restrictions, options at the two parks, as to which was better value for our particular circumstances. But the difference is that you can't ride the same ride more than once at Disney, and with the lower level Universal ones..
What I want is something different I think. I know that there isn't capacity for everyone to just turn up at any ride whenever they want and hop straight on. That's why the unlimited passes are very expensive. But these are indeed paid "line skip" services.
Disney's systems have always been more akin to virtual queues. Not how they name VQs now (which are effectively a VQ to join the standby queue...) but where you take your place virtually in a line. You have to wait a certain period of time in that virtual line, hence the time slots. You can't jump the queue. It effectively allows you to be in two places at once, but as long as everyone has a fair an equal chance, that's fine. This is actually what I want. I could choose to stand in any standby line whenever I want (which actually is where baseline should be) and join a VQ for any ride whenever I want (given that capacity hasn't run out for the day).
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MickeyLuv'r
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Can't speak for the other poster, but in the days of paper FP, we were often able to re-ride favorite headliners at WDW. We still can, but not nearly as much as during WDW's awesome years.
A big part of doing many re-rides though was doing it late at night. Back then, MK used to regularly be open past midnight, especially with the 3hour EMH. Over holiday weeks it was common for MK to be open from 7am-midnight +3 hours of EMH.
All for the price of a regular park ticket!
If I was going to buy something like this, that is the feature I'd want. We like re-rides, because it saves walking time.
Splash4eva
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Ive said this plenty. Its actually harder to get less than 3 attractions then to get say 8-10 at the MK lolAgain, after the change to G+, according to @lentesta 's calculations from over at touringplans, the people using this paid replacement to fastpass were getting less than 3 attractions per day after buying it. That's a step down from how people were utilizing the service included with their ticket prices that included the three advanced selections.
For most people paying, they were paying more and not just getting worse value but actually getting less than when they weren't having to pay extra.
Now we have multipass which may be more comparable. Guess it depends on how much you prefer racing to get your selections months in advance or shortly before leaving to visit Florida.
You're right in that when everyone had access, it was not an "exclusive" benefit and if that's what this is about, a sort of "Look at me! I paid more and they gave me something you plebs can't have!!!" then yeah, I suppose G+ was better but if it was about creating a better guest experience in general, the numbers suggest it let nearly everyone down - including those people that got to pay Disney extra to be special.
Maybe they'll get it right this time though with Multipass and this offering and the only people who'll get screwed over with a diminished experience by design as a result will be those who just bought a ticket.
Fingers crossed!
It's obviously not going to benefit the majority. How much it affects them remains to be seen.
Neither you nor I can accurately say it will or won't affect them.
Really depends on how many of the thousands of daily guests this is available for buy into it and what the impact of them having instant-LL access to every ride in a park at once with no managed windows does to those standby times and existing multipass users and their return time windows.
Without seeing how it plays out, I certainly wouldn't want to bet on this having no impact on the busiest times of day on the busiest days, though...
With that in mind, I wonder if it'll be available to buy in app at any time for those elegible.
networkpro
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Why not ?I'm not sure I could handle this 17 times in a row:
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It's not good show for the unwashed masses waiting hours for a popular attraction while others ride it multiple times.
Allowing multiple rides will either reduce the number of LL Disney can sell or impact standby guests.
Your $$ gives you one skip. It allows Disney to better manage standby vs LL queus.
Book the entire park, or one land, for a.private event. Disney has pricing.
Jrb1979
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How is that any different that any other park?
MrPromey
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We're going back a ways with this. I can't remember if you could get more than one paper fastpass in a day for the same attraction but I know you couldn't get another fast pass until the first one was used (or, I think, two hours after the first one was issued - whichever time came first) and that severely limited the number of fast passes you could get in a day, made even more limited by later return times on busier days.
MrPromey
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That's not my opinion, it's data.
I guess you can argue with @lentesta about his tracking methods if you want.
Of course, that was for G+ and not the newest new system. I'm guessing these changes were in part because of that.
Of course, if people are able to more fully utilize it now, that capacity has to come from somewhere it wasn't during G+, right?
The current system obviously works a lot more like FP+ so having three locked in return times in advance probably makes it the same or better for the people buying in, I guess.
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MrPromey
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What I find hilarous is that he did an AMA on reddit years ago and was asked about that performance.
He said it wasn't in the scrip for all the ums and ahs but that they did multiple takes both ways and what they show is spliced together from all the takes where they had him do it.
MrPromey
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From Disney's perspective, does it matter if the unwashed masses don't realize those people going through the LL line have gone through that line multiple times?